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Plutorus + ufotable squad analysis/predictions part 1 - ufotable - 03-12-2014 Squad predictions and analysis for season #whateverthisis. We were lazy so it's in chat form and it went a surprisingly long time so we had to take it to a Part 2 to come later. All controversial opinions are courtesy of Plut so please message him if you feel disrespected. Hope you enjoy:         ufotable> ok     ufotable> hmmm     ufotable> is there a list of squads somewhere     Plutorus> ok     Plutorus> http://svssubspace.com/index.php?page=Rosters     Plutorus> im gonna use that     Plutorus> should be up to date for the active squads for the most part     ufotable> Ok lets start with Assassins     ufotable> Looks like much the same roster as last season minus 3 and Ozn     Plutorus> and rage, but he's prob afk     ufotable> oh good call     ufotable> Rage Sai Nacre and Dev/Mop/Sika/Kdak will probably be fine from a teamwork standpoint     ufotable> It's easier to be grouped and have teamwork when you're pushing the other team all over the map     ufotable> as evidenced in the finals against FTN last season     ufotable> even with the prac disparity     ufotable> How do you think they'll do this season?     Plutorus> three, ozn and bhang are all big losses, but as long as they have the nacre/saiyan pairing, they have the surrounding cast to take my #1 ranking     ufotable> oh I forgot bhang went to EGO     ufotable> did you actually do some prep for this and rank the squads? now I feel unprepared     Plutorus> I think we're in a league where you really need 2 elites to win, and nacre/saiyan fits the bill for them. I think nacre is the best player overall too     Plutorus> backarrow next?     ufotable> not done yet!     Plutorus> kk     ufotable> I'd also pick them as #1     ufotable> though I'm not sure who's active and who's not     ufotable> Does Jae even play anymore? I haven't seen Sika in months     Plutorus> yeah, activity is a big key for them     ufotable> Actives could just be Nacre, Sai, Mop, Dev and.... Seven/Penguin?     ufotable> If you count coming in and saying "U LIFF" to be activity     Plutorus> huge, I'd agree     ufotable> Worst case scenario     ufotable> lets say only Nacre, Sai, Dev and a random 4th are active this season     ufotable> are they still #1?     Plutorus> yes     Plutorus> unless that 4th is penguin every single game, or important games     ufotable> lol     ufotable> you know he can bench 1000000 lbs 40x     ufotable> don't underestimate     ufotable> they're #1 for me too, even in that worst case     Plutorus> bebebebebebeb     ufotable> ok, BackArrow?     ufotable> you're up first     Plutorus> ok, backarrow has lost a few key members lately, in savage and fedu     ufotable> That's right - I did see Sav hanging out with Llamas     ufotable> actually, he played against us this past week     ufotable> Fedu is so solid in all aspects and makes the right play more often than not     ufotable> big loss I agree     Plutorus> not only loss from talent standpoint, which it is, but activity as well; savage and fedu are both active     ufotable> Doesn't Sav kinda go in and out from an  activity standpoint?     Plutorus> backarrow needs to recruit some people fast...or they are heavily reliant on a small core to show up every week     ufotable> BackArrow is definitely one of the more active practicing squads     ufotable> I see Tuna, Candy, Sabre, Plare, Arc, Jones, and Hook almost daily     ufotable> 7 solid actives I think is more than most squads can say - not sure I agree on the aggressive need to recruit     Plutorus> hmm, I havent seen Jones much.     ufotable> maybe not so much lately hmm     ufotable> so 6 actives     Plutorus> sabre and plare seem iffy to me, although both are solid. Hook is probably a bit too tentative to hang with a faster paced game right now     Plutorus> I see sabre and plare seldom, although they seem more active this week, agreed     ufotable> I think you touch on an important point     ufotable> The pace on those players vary wildly     Plutorus> yea     ufotable> Sabre does lag behind, not necessarily in terms of talent but in preferred pace     ufotable> Their potential top 4 of Tuna/Arc/Plare/Sabre (or Candy) varies so much in speed     Plutorus> its really true, I can see them having pacing issues     ufotable> and that probably doesn't hurt them against lower level opponents, but starting with Llama level its a problem     ufotable> That being said, significant veteran moxy on this squad     Plutorus> one worry I have with a particular key vet is Arctos - he looks bored to me     Plutorus> his top game is great, but does he care enough anymore?     ufotable> Good observation - he's not nearly as strong as I remember     ufotable> not even close     ufotable> I think that question is the key to their season, how much does he want it?     Plutorus> yeah agreed     Plutorus> he can help tuna carry if he's 100%     ufotable> I think they're only going to go as far as Tuna and Arc take them     ufotable> Both in their primes - this is a fearsome squad     Plutorus> definitely     Plutorus> ok, beastfu?     ufotable> the other thing I like about BA, no one dies for free     ufotable> they force you to beat them     ufotable> (or the bot to beat them)     ufotable> ok Beastfu     ufotable> Speaking to GT, these are a lot of RL friends of his from LoL     ufotable> with a couple of old faces like Unoid     ufotable> what are your thoughts?     Plutorus> I love that gold teeth started up a new squad for newer leaguers, but I worry they won't survive much longer.     ufotable> I know they no showed this past Sunday     ufotable> was it daylight savings or something else?     Plutorus> I think it was     ufotable> The roster is only 7 people so it's vital that everyone is active     ufotable> SS CRIPS showed us it can be done     Plutorus> Bukkwild!!!     ufotable> yes!     ufotable> ok     ufotable> quick aside     ufotable> can you name one other guy on CRIPS?     Plutorus> chronic and macksksksks     ufotable> damn     Plutorus> $     ufotable> I couldn't come up with anyone nice call     ufotable> ok back to beastfu     ufotable> I love that they're a new squad as well and the learning curve is going to be steeper this season for the new guys     ufotable> .*steep     ufotable> hope they stick around all season     ufotable> and don't get too discouraged by the losing     ufotable> because the losses are coming     Plutorus> yeah, they are going to struggle winning a single game     ufotable> I've seen Rhino practicing a lot     ufotable> he can play and has potential     ufotable> Comb has played in league, GT has been around for ~15 years     ufotable> Unoid has been around     Plutorus> and then?     ufotable> cann is a pubber right?     ufotable> and I think I've seen spinning in pub?     Plutorus> not sure, only recently saw him enter the scene. he's eager (which goes a long way) but will struggle to last for 10+ minutes I think     Plutorus> gold teeth to be active, and they need to recruit more pilots now, today, tomorrow, immediately to pull this off. fill the roster     ufotable> I think I played a late night 2v2 with cann against Tom Petty and another pubber     ufotable> he has an offensive game, but survivability is an issue     ufotable> I agree     ufotable> we'll leave it off with that, they need 2 more active pilots     Plutorus> yea     Plutorus> btw, credit to gold teeth     ufotable> yes     ufotable> all credit to GT     Plutorus> league needed a squad like this, and he did it     ufotable> If even one of those new guys sticks     ufotable> he'll have done more for the game than most     Plutorus> yes     ufotable> Critical Mass     ufotable> You're up first as an ex-CM member     Plutorus> Haha, great squad with Three and Ozn leading the way. I really enjoyed flying with them, and I've got them ranked as my #2 team overall     ufotable> Whoa     ufotable> ahead of OUTLAWS (rebranded FTN)?     Plutorus> yep     ufotable> wow lets explore that for a second     ufotable> head to head, why do you think CM is better?     Plutorus> I'm not sure how active Kingnewbie is anymore     Plutorus> that would change the equation, but I havent seen him around     ufotable> He suffered an injury a couple months ago right?     Plutorus> yeah, he's recovering from an accident.     ufotable> That could be tough you're right     ufotable> If KN isn't active, I'd give the edge to CM as well     Plutorus> CM is going to be aggressive     Plutorus> I think three washes with bike     Plutorus> both in my top 5 players, btw     ufotable> I'd take 3 over bike because he plays a more important function within his team     ufotable> hard to find a true #1 pilot that will create and force the action     ufotable> .*harder     ufotable> vs. an elite elite finisher and support pilot     Plutorus> three definitely will force the action, yea     ufotable> Since you've been a slut and have been on both squads     Plutorus> they are both special players     ufotable> I won't press you on that =P     ufotable> you can be all middle of the road     Plutorus> haha no its ok     ufotable> Top 4 for CM?     Plutorus> I rate them about equally tbh, I think bike can force the action if needed     Plutorus> I think in his mind tactically, he doesnt feel the need to. But I've seem him take over games when necessary     ufotable> TVB's positioning is so strong as well, he's ALWAYS in the right place to make the play     ufotable> and he doesn't miss on chances     Plutorus> Top 4 for CM....three, ozn, antihuman and 7th/coarse/devious     ufotable> I agree, I would take 3, Ozn, 7th, and Antihuman     Plutorus> Jack is a favorite, I think he's a season or two removed from being a really big player     Plutorus> if he sticks around     ufotable> I haven't seen him in a couple months unfortunately     ufotable> He was #1 in TW right?     Plutorus> yea     Plutorus> he was around last month     Plutorus> alot     ufotable> hope he sticks and keeps practicing hard     ufotable> tremendous talent I agree     Plutorus> but last seen more than 10 days ago     Plutorus> maybe aliased     ufotable> I don't trust coarse or Devious in big games     ufotable> the talent is clearly there, but both have styles that don't feel solid to me     ufotable> especially in a give and take championship type game where each death matters     ufotable> I know you're friends with both so no comment is fine by you     Plutorus> im looking at outlaws roster     Plutorus> I might change my rankings by the end of this log lol     Plutorus> if KN is around, I'd clearly rank them higher     ufotable> We'll get another chance to discuss that when we hit OUTLAWS     ufotable> I'm also nervous if 3 tries to do too much     ufotable> years ago when he used to bang his head against Assassins/Intrepid season after season (mad respect for that)     ufotable> he received an unfair label of a choker because as talented as he is, he felt a need to make everything happen     ufotable> If he takes early deaths in a playoff game, CM could be in trouble     Plutorus> yes     Plutorus> three is definitely key for CM     ufotable> everyone else is repleacable for me other than 3     ufotable> ready to move on?>     Plutorus> ok, discombobulate next!     Plutorus> hardest team to .roster?     Plutorus> I can never spell it     ufotable> Clearly the .roster difficulty champs     ufotable> Solar has taken to calling them Disco Queens     Plutorus> I like disco boobs even better!     ufotable> oooh good call     ufotable> Ok so     ufotable> Who is Mclaren?     Plutorus> good question. Not sure, but he's solid     ufotable> dude can play     ufotable> but he needs to stay out of lanc     Plutorus> in our preseason game vs disco last sunday, they did a great job of using lanc and luring us to boxes     Plutorus> my team is a little too new to 4v4 to really understand how bad of an idea that was     ufotable> you mean bombs that bounce twice     ufotable> in enclosed spaces?     Plutorus> but time and again, they would trick us into heading down there     ufotable> ya that's a recipe for trouble     ufotable> Top 4?     Plutorus> mindriot is playing fantastic lately     ufotable> and how do you see them doing this season?     Plutorus> mindriot, mclaren, rickdog and HMMM     Plutorus> not sure who allelujah is     Plutorus> I think they will do well, rickdog is really improving     Plutorus> wahini is clearly the key     Plutorus> you?     ufotable> Wahini is old school     ufotable> I'd take MR, Mclaren, Pog, and Rick/Acid     ufotable> I agree, Mindriot has shown dimensions lately, especially in a spider, that I didn't expect     ufotable> he's absolutely key for his team     ufotable> When pushing or in a fairly even game, I think they're fine     ufotable> but no one on that roster is a strong team player to me and I worry for them in a game against an aggressive opponent     Plutorus> I think they have a shot against teams like backarrow and ego     ufotable> Hmmmm     ufotable> how much of a shot     Plutorus> providing mindriot continues to play at this level     ufotable> I would give them a puncher's chance     Plutorus> yeah, thats probably accurate     Plutorus> agreed     ufotable> by the way, am I crazy to think that BackArrow reminds me of Jon Fitch     Plutorus> Jon Fitch! One of my fav mma fighters     ufotable> mine too     Plutorus> I think he's the only MMA fighter I follow on twitter     ufotable> lol     Plutorus> and I LOVE that comparison     Plutorus> backarrow tries to wear you down     Plutorus> and win a decision     ufotable> yup     ufotable> they don't beat themselves, and keep grinding and grinding     ufotable> reminds of every Fitch match in existence     ufotable> ok back to Disco     ufotable> where do you see them finishing this season?     Plutorus> I see them battling it out with backarrow, ego, dropships, sfe     ufotable> They beat SFE convincingly in preseason round 1     Plutorus> you started Mfa :p but we'll get to that later     ufotable> MR lured us into what felt like 30 bad spots     Plutorus> they outmanaged us too last sunday, so maybe thats a strength for them. smart play     ufotable> I see them finishing below BA and EGO, neck and neck with Dropships     ufotable> ready to move on?     Plutorus> ya, dropships next. All you     ufotable> After Dropships I need to get back to work and we'll take this to a part 2 later     Plutorus> k     ufotable> ok Dropships     ufotable> interesting mix of Port Llast from last season     ufotable> and Alpha Reunion     ufotable> 4 captains on a squad with 10 people could be too much cooks in the kitchen     ufotable> Who is really the captain     ufotable> .*many not much     Plutorus> sven/nude     ufotable> I thought you were keeping out of this!     Plutorus> im not sure why I have captain lol     Plutorus> oops!     ufotable> lol     ufotable> Top 4 for me: Plut, Sven, Harm, suicidal dentist     ufotable> with Pryde as key sub     ufotable> any subs after that are going to have glaring holes in their game or in their experience     ufotable> and I'm not sure how active sui is     ufotable> he was always on and off for NW     ufotable> and I haven't seen him in a week or two     ufotable> With their top 5, I'd pick them to finish above Disco boobs     ufotable> but that is probably the most compelling matchup of the season     ufotable> (other than the 3 championship contenders of course)     ufotable> rep, Hall, light all have strong potential     ufotable> Light is an all arounder who needs more reps and dueling practice to sharpen up his game and ship control     ufotable> Rep has good aim and control, but he and Hall both suffer from sometimes playing like they're in a duelbox or 2v2 box     ufotable> and it's not the same game in 4v4     ufotable> I think Sven is going to explode this season     ufotable> the talent is there, he's driven as hell, and the improvement over the last 3 months has been exponential     Plutorus> he just exploded reading that line     ufotable>     Plutorus> oops! hi sven     ufotable> Not sure who Harm is, but I know he's there in pracs I play against his team     ufotable> he's a factor     ufotable> Plut is above average in every aspects and a brilliant team player - not many pilots I'd want either on LL or playing in a key game. He's going to make the right decision and be in the right place     ufotable> If the top pilots gel correctly and guys (SVEN) make the leap, I see them finishing above Disco and competing with BA and EGO.     ufotable> last thoughts plut before we close this log and take it to a part 2?     Plutorus> nope, great stuff. Later tonight?     ufotable> not sure, we'll figure it out   Plutorus + ufotable squad analysis/predictions part 1 - Pryde - 03-12-2014 ufotable> Pryde: best hair in league. Plutorus + ufotable squad analysis/predictions part 1 - ufotable - 03-13-2014 Clearly an oversight on my part. If I'd let Plut speak he certainly would have addressed that most salient of points. Plutorus + ufotable squad analysis/predictions part 1 - Nude For Satan - 03-15-2014 "later tonight"   pffft