(05-31-2018, 04:28 AM)Caerbannog Wrote:  From http://forum.svssubspace.com/showthread.php?tid=14303 to keep that one on topic
Here are the fourish topics that are actual topics, apart from willing in Sterling and The Dark returning. And attempting to tell everyone to quit to uhh.. well for great benefit, surely. Cause seeing others play when you're pretty much done would be afwul, Euri?

Also most of you are working with incomplete information, but still.

Candyman:
Can all of the captains also agree not to start this god damn season before we've discussed some changes around here, regarding zone, settings, conducts and whatnot?
- You'll have to be more specific unless you want to focus on whatever things others bring up.

Seriel Killer:
1. Change leadership

2. Make ships that are not playable in league stronger so there is more balance between ships, currently absolutely nobody uses jav/shark in league, very very rarely spider, make them a bit stronger so people can at least try out new settings in off season.
- Like I said before, in-game, sure. But you'll have to actually suggest a change to the javelin or shark or spider. Saying "make it better" or "fix it" are not specific enough to try.

3. I don't know about roster lock but since the community is low, remove roster lock until playoffs, allow switching from team to team with one week delay to prevent abuse.
- Almost specific enough, except as stated here it's one massive loophole.

(05-31-2018, 04:35 AM)cash flow king Wrote:  

(05-31-2018, 04:28 AM)Caerbannog Wrote:  From http://forum.svssubspace.com/showthread.php?tid=14303 to keep that one on topic
Here are the fourish topics that are actual topics, apart from willing in Sterling and The Dark returning. And attempting to tell everyone to quit to uhh.. well for great benefit, surely. Cause seeing others play when you're pretty much done would be afwul, Euri?

Also most of you are working with incomplete information, but still.

Candyman:
Can all of the captains also agree not to start this god damn season before we've discussed some changes around here, regarding zone, settings, conducts and whatnot?
- You'll have to be more specific unless you want to focus on whatever things others bring up.

Seriel Killer:
1. Change leadership

2. Make ships that are not playable in league stronger so there is more balance between ships, currently absolutely nobody uses jav/shark in league, very very rarely spider, make them a bit stronger so people can at least try out new settings in off season.
- Like I said before, in-game, sure. But you'll have to actually suggest a change to the javelin or shark or spider. Saying "make it better" or "fix it" are not specific enough to try.

3. I don't know about roster lock but since the community is low, remove roster lock until playoffs, allow switching from team to team with one week delay to prevent abuse.
- Almost specific enough, except as stated here it's one massive loophole.

Too little, too late. Please don't pretend to care now. You have already received a vote of "no confidence". 

(05-31-2018, 05:04 AM)Caerbannog Wrote:  

(05-31-2018, 04:35 AM)cash flow king Wrote:  

(05-31-2018, 04:28 AM)Caerbannog Wrote:  From http://forum.svssubspace.com/showthread.php?tid=14303 to keep that one on topic
Here are the fourish topics that are actual topics, apart from willing in Sterling and The Dark returning. And attempting to tell everyone to quit to uhh.. well for great benefit, surely. Cause seeing others play when you're pretty much done would be afwul, Euri?

Also most of you are working with incomplete information, but still.

Candyman:
Can all of the captains also agree not to start this god damn season before we've discussed some changes around here, regarding zone, settings, conducts and whatnot?
- You'll have to be more specific unless you want to focus on whatever things others bring up.

Seriel Killer:
1. Change leadership

2. Make ships that are not playable in league stronger so there is more balance between ships, currently absolutely nobody uses jav/shark in league, very very rarely spider, make them a bit stronger so people can at least try out new settings in off season.
- Like I said before, in-game, sure. But you'll have to actually suggest a change to the javelin or shark or spider. Saying "make it better" or "fix it" are not specific enough to try.

3. I don't know about roster lock but since the community is low, remove roster lock until playoffs, allow switching from team to team with one week delay to prevent abuse.
- Almost specific enough, except as stated here it's one massive loophole.

Too little, too late. Please don't pretend to care now. You have already received a vote of "no confidence". 

It's a community effort, you useless cunt. Fuck off.
You're not even a part of league. All you do is sit in spec and help poopie or secede talk shit

(05-31-2018, 04:35 AM)cash flow king Wrote:  

(05-31-2018, 04:28 AM)Caerbannog Wrote:  From http://forum.svssubspace.com/showthread.php?tid=14303 to keep that one on topic
Here are the fourish topics that are actual topics, apart from willing in Sterling and The Dark returning. And attempting to tell everyone to quit to uhh.. well for great benefit, surely. Cause seeing others play when you're pretty much done would be afwul, Euri?

Also most of you are working with incomplete information, but still.

Candyman:
Can all of the captains also agree not to start this god damn season before we've discussed some changes around here, regarding zone, settings, conducts and whatnot?
- You'll have to be more specific unless you want to focus on whatever things others bring up.

Seriel Killer:
1. Change leadership

2. Make ships that are not playable in league stronger so there is more balance between ships, currently absolutely nobody uses jav/shark in league, very very rarely spider, make them a bit stronger so people can at least try out new settings in off season.
- Like I said before, in-game, sure. But you'll have to actually suggest a change to the javelin or shark or spider. Saying "make it better" or "fix it" are not specific enough to try.

3. I don't know about roster lock but since the community is low, remove roster lock until playoffs, allow switching from team to team with one week delay to prevent abuse.
- Almost specific enough, except as stated here it's one massive loophole.

Too little, too late. Please don't pretend to care now. You have already received a vote of "no confidence". 

(05-31-2018, 04:16 PM)Euripedes Wrote:  Caerbannog "Here are the fourish topics that are actual topics, apart from willing in Sterling and The Dark returning. And attempting to tell everyone to quit to uhh.. well for great benefit, surely. Cause seeing others play when you're pretty much done would be afwul, Euri? "


First I will say if you were a good leader you would not finish a discussion by attacking me and stating I am trying to push my vendetta on others. However, I must respond to your attack and say you have not been in touch with the demands of people and I could understand if it was 1 or 2 people ... but it seems it's the WHOLE league.

In addition I am not telling people to quit ... quite the opposite. I want the league to flourish again but we need new leadership. If the only way to force a change is with people not playing then I hope they do it.

To keep the response on par with yours ... Why do you start games 20 minutes after they are supposed to happen? .... ohhh yeah your still practicing, energy view don't help?

(05-31-2018, 07:27 AM)Candyman Wrote:  [quote pid='198714' dateline='1527743042']
It's a community effort, you useless cunt. Fuck off.
You're not even a part of league. All you do is sit in spec and help poopie or secede talk shit

(06-01-2018, 04:51 AM)p.k Wrote:  I see a whole lot of caer this and that, but no ideas or suggestions

(05-31-2018, 05:04 AM)Caerbannog Wrote:  It's a community effort, you useless cunt. Fuck off.

(06-01-2018, 04:00 PM)p.k Wrote:  Despite the few ideas that have been brought up in spec chat discord and here repeatedly, this is turning into a remove caer campaign just like the previous active thread.
Its clear caerbannog read up those posts about having him step down, he instead made this thread about league changes and not about his announcement to step down. Why? Because he WONT step down, focus on league changes if youre going to post here, and leave away the caer paragraphs.

He clearly needs to be removed from his position but the only player able to that HALLUCINATION is not even being mentioned? He reads posts everyday and does not even reply or post anything, people are quitiing in his face, just read up.

So instead of going back to transforming another thread revolve around caerbannog again lets talk about the guys able to make a change but seems to be afraid? I guess?

Hallucination?

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And seeing as i know nothing will change i will leave this here

Cerium: Getting you guys on ASSS is absolutely trivial. It's a week of work, tweaking and testing to do it; it's the fucking politics that held it up last time.
And, with everything that is that game, it's the politics that continue to hold it back.

^possibly the only way to change leadership, moving to ASSS

Hall wont respond, caer wont step down,
And ofcourse the bitter truth, is that if any changes are made to league this coming season theybwill be MINIMAL changes, we are all well aware caerbannog cannt tweak a bot for shit, and last time hallu worked on 4v4 bots the !game #### command died

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But wait theres more,
ASSS is not randomly banning our players???
AND the zone will actually appear in green when you install the game ???

(06-03-2018, 05:04 PM)Caerbannog Wrote:  Right, right.
1. Any change in the zone is beyond what I do. I'm not at all up to date on how SSC limits copying other zones' settings or leagues. All I can say is I agree the server randomly locking players out is an issue.

2. Ship settings have been tried. Some of them were forum based suggestions, most of the current nerfs are ones I put there without too much input? Like they were ideas that had been thrown out here and there. That is reverting the terrier and leviathan changes Underlord made, increasing multi-bullet cost (except terrier), lowering x-radar drain (spiders were at a point where they were a must have everywhere, which slowed games down, which people didn't like). Javelin was _too_ fast (50 off rocket speed), Javelin then had a confusing thrust mechanic. The shark never really had an identity, atm is a nerfed version of the pub shark. And I don't even think it's necessarily a bad ship (besides the graphic) it just takes a lot more effort than most other ships.

The only ideas I've tossed right away are ones that stray too far from SVS.

3. Bot development / prac queues etc. See, no one is also opposed to these ideas. It's just that you'd have to present them in a VERY refined form so that it doesn't take hallucination a week to implement for everyone to tell him it's shit. Which is more than likely to happen when you thought your queue system would somehow dodge landing you in there with secede and el poopie. Which, by the way, it won't. Then you'll F11 and... then what?

4. The sad loss of cash flow king. Man that's a tough one. You won't log in to subspace to _not_ play the game? Darn. If ever there were people who server no purpose except to piss off the rest of the population, cfk would fit right in.

5. The Coucil, ah yes, the one I pushed to set up so I could just chill Please do reinstate that. Except the council ground rules have to then be revisited and agreed upon. I tried to set it up in a way where I was never supposed to hold the councils hand, cause that'd just be more work for me.

6. Creating a toxic environment? That's all on me? Everyone hating on Pivotal or Candyman when they're not suiciding in pracs? For the past 20 years? That's all me? Nice. Never did I ever imagine my charisma is enough to get everyone to act in a way they deem is a) immature and b) toxic? People usually only attempt to copy the good ideas and features, I suppose my excellence is too much though. The ozn threat thing lead to a ban, so uhh.. what? See, everyone has a different view of what is ok and what isn't. Develop for one was all for lifting that badn cause "we're all adults and don't need people to hold our hands". Personally, I suggest using ?ignore or ignore.txt a lot.

7. Nismo you managed to kill a 400 player zone, while you were the sysop? Thumbs up mate. Got any tips?

8. New players not wanting to enter chaos due to sysops? Come on there, random alias. There's no chance new players even know who the sysops are. Now this would be where our rather elitist 4v4 community comes in. If there ever was a new player they'd a) be called secede within a minute b) be kicked out of everything and c) with the very few pracs anyone gets, I fully understand why.

9. Menteroth, I don't feel like CFK's post was very helpful. Regardless of his high opinion of me, he should probably not instantly attempt to undermine a thread with "too little too late lololo"? He's about as negative of a force as you can find.

10. As stated before, most of you are working with limited information. Am I going to resign and leave the league without a sysop or a council to operate it because everyone acts like 5 year olds? Nah.

11. Rage can't bring Sterling (well, Seismic) back regardless of leadership (unless leadership changes match times) since people (Seismic) have families they need to attend to. Source: Seismic.