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I'm "newer" to 4v4 although I have spent a pretty decent amount of time trying to learn and improve. I've affiliated myself with some players and I was considering joining Dropship when the rules will allow it (I'm flying their banner). I go into the arena and I sit and i wait until my cap comes up. I have players form Dropship along with others who are willing to play on my freq. I start to invite them in and the cap from the other freq forcecaps another player and I am left to watch some more. I wait on another cap and when I get it, I say "do it again" in an obviously sarcastic fashion and as I am typing that, I am forcecapped out again. If you guys can think of a better way to ensure that new guys will never play 4v4 I'd like to know it. I don't have time to sit and WATCH people play subspace. I understand that there are some logistical reasons to leave forcecap as a command but you have to make it a bannable offense to abuse that command. It isn't hard. The abuse is simple to see and it should be bannable. I'm giving 4v4 about another month to see if this is dealt with. If not, I'm not going to keep coming in. If the game can't be civil enough to even allow people to wait in line and play then it's not a game for me. Little kids on a playground can manage to abide by simple rules of play. I won't be associated with grown adults who can't.

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Ok. Fuck you and goodbye.

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There's no rules. There should be rules. They don't even have to be all that elaborate. But they would need moderation.

I see two instances where !forcecap is viable and legitimate:

1. the team wanting the .cap is a squad (raises the question of whether they can use aliases as who's around to help prove they are a squad)

2. the captain to lose .cap is in some manner acting in a way that is detrimental to the health of the arena (afk, refusing everyone while plenty are willing, etc)

Other than this !forcecap should be considered illegal.

 

There aren't 400 players coming through the arena doors every day anymore, or whatever it was when it was hecta'.

 

"<span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:Arial, sans-serif;">Start a practice on your own next time in a practice arena, not a squad arena, where force cap isn't allowed and stop bitching. " is just no longer a viable option except on rare instances. Game day is a good exception. Other than these exceptions there are commonly less than 16 available players</span>, (probably less than 14 before someone suggests 3v3 arena). It's a good suggestion if there's plenty of people about. People apparently have waited in line and been denied pracs for years ... but there hasn't always been only one arena on offer.

 

I think three was heavyhanded and overall incorrect with using !fc at this time. Sounds like Mr. B-Hole was a bit meaty with the messaging thereafter, though, and ingratiating himself with Three didn't help his cause. Though if Three would have offered his reasons to him in a different manner he might have got less of that feedback. Three was not on a 1-squad freq, and he forcecapped from one unrostered player to another unrostered player.

 

I can't play worth a damn and don't believe I ever really will. The game's fun but not a stepping stone to personal glory for me. I'll forever hope to be handy to make up 8 when there's only 7 and people just want to start a prac, but I tend to stay out of most pracs except helping out Dropships when they need the extra 1. If invited, sure, I'll probably play if available. No reason I can't start or take part in dialogue, though. Turn your mouth in my direction and of course I will respond. Forcecapping to me (while I was in spec just arguing the issue) to prove a point was kindah ridiculous.

 

Overall, even if it's to legislate the opposite of my stance, make some rules. Either way, just make them. Set some boundaries. It's not just a couple people feeling that !forcecap should be confined to squad freqs or resolving a stalled arena. There's two camps.

 

I hope to see Mr. B-Hole return and prac on. He hasn't had much of a go and, unlike me, actually shows promise if he can get the "team game" element down pat. I can understand his frustration.

 

This is a bad week for lower tier players (all players actually): everyone's off watching the world cup and numbers are down - this specifically accentuates the issue of getting a game if your lips aren't firmly attached to some l33t player's cock.

 

Oh, psyanide: getting beat up in a game can build character. Sitting in spec watching your .cap's go by does not.

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not familiar with the old nugget: "patience is a virtue" ?

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.<span style="font-size:10.5pt;">I am rostered, as the Captain of the currently ranked #1 team in league. Where you two numbnuts fucked up is you had no idea who I was as I wanted to practice aliased. Would you have freaked out had you known it was me, if it was develop, Nacre, etc.? I highly doubt it. You would have sat there and understood it's a squad arena.
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.<span style="font-size:10.5pt;">I am rostered, as the Captain of the currently ranked #1 team in league. Where you two numbnuts fucked up is you had no idea who I was as I wanted to practice aliased. Would you have freaked out had you known it was me, if it was develop, Nacre, etc.? I highly doubt it. You would have sat there and understood it's a squad arena.
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Edit: i don't know much about Trench wars, but i do know that their population is thriving compared to ours.

I was just in there looking around and it seems like their subarenas are based on automated teams/freqs and voting as compared to manually choosing players.


We could still have both options and see if it brought any benefits.

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I've been playing this game since 1996. I decided a few months ago to put in some effort and learn 4v4. I find the more experienced players willfully make it harder than it should be to even PLAY let alone improve. Then, a more experienced player will join a freq with some newer guys and THROW THE PRAC. Experienced players going 0-3 in just a few minutes.  And then they have the nerve to act like the lesser experienced players should somehow be just fine with that. As if a newer player is going to keep sitting and watching, waiting for his turn to play and then when that time comes just not get to play at all  or have the prac sabotaged by an experienced player and then "keep their mouth shut" about it. SS has always had loud mouths and a lot of venom but when the better players are pulling this kind of crap, I'm done playing SS. Enjoy yourselves.

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