4v4 League is in need of dire help.

[mindriot]

Forget it.

[cash flow]

Lets be straight... You and I don't like each other Mindriot. However, on this issue, I agree. I have said for a long time Caer is not a person that should be running the league. He is never perceived as neutral or balanced in any situation, and makes decisions that do not benefit the general population. He frequently makes decisions on how to handle a matter on his own personal preference, and frequently misuses his "powers". When you see someone like Hallu run things in a fair and balanced manner, it makes you realize we could have a much better person in Caers shoes.

[Caerbannog]

I wish I knew what mindriot was on about.



Either way, when I logged in to SS today I had three messages telling me cash flow king + el father were aliasing and ruining pracs for people by whatever means. Now, aliasing itself is not illegal. El Father and Cash Flow King are both aliases in my book, since the players were known with other names long before these ones. I checked the pracs these aliases were in



When I logged on to the forums I have a !game 100958 message in my inbox telling me that mindriot valiantly SCd to a javelin and ran out the clock in a prac that he was losing.

The only reason for why he did this seems to be that he was upset about the opposing team not restarting a 3v3 match when one of his teammates died out soon(ish). As far as the log goes, no illegal shipchanging or illegal subbing was performed by CFK/el father. However, one of the people messaging me about these guys ruining pracs did illegally sub in and die out.



What mindriot did is against the rules. What the other person did is against the rules.



Also "righting" a wrong with a wrong is against the rules. I've told everyone a bunch of times, if someone breaks the rules and you want me to do something about it, don't try to abuse them in return. I will only view this as idiots arguing online.



Now of course I also had a second message about the fact that Surrey was in the arena when Mindriot cheated and did nothing and I should fire him. This might be tricky, because Surrey is not a part of 4v4 staff yet. He probably will be though, he seems to be around, have his head screwed on semi-right at least and is able to think objectively.





As far as the evidence goes, mindriot is the only one I could ban. I'll hold that thought until I have a chat with surrey though, seeing as how he's being considered as staff-worthy.



I also agree that I shouldn't run the league. It's a lot of work trying to keep a bunch of people happy, while they all want different things <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> I'm sure someone could do a better job, and a lot of people think they could do a better job. A lot of people also realize than even being a regular staffer comes with no benefits, but a bunch of "duties" and people acting like everything they fail at is your fault.



On a more serious note.. I'm not sure how I'm not neutral or balanced in issues that concern the league at a higher level. Just because I don't like (a lot) of the players' attitudes does not mean I don't treat all squads the same. I especially wrote the rules strict without much wiggle room to make sure this happens, and I've stuck to them pretty religiously. Yes, I know, I've bent my own rules a few times this season (helping people sub in, including mindriot), while the rules say it's the captains' responsibility to assign lagouts etc. for their players to be able to return. I mostly did this because the OPPOSING squad's captain asked for ?help.

The same applies for when Da Monkk asked for a restart in our match. Yes, hibachi suggested we should maybe restart for a good match, Monkk was ok with it. I then abused my powers and did not score the game 12-0 for Nguyens. Not that I believe this will make much of a difference in the final standings.





For the two chaos players that read this... yes, it should be on the 4v4 forum but cash's reply is not visible there.

[cash flow]

caer you made a fair and balanced ruling on that situation, I will actually congratulate you on it... Surrey on the other hand was threatening to ban me in that game for no reason other than he doesn't like me apparently because we beat his squad earlier this year in a game he LVPed. Ever since then he can't stop typing to me in any game we are both in. His comments were that "7 people have complained to me that you should be banned" are a little hard to believe considering there was nothing I did illegal nor 7 other people in the arena in spec. I don't understand what the criteria are for having mod powers, considering that people like Surrey are clearly not emotionally stable enough to handle their own selves, much less have discretionary powers over other people...

[Idolatrous]

I have already told hallu, polix and caer all what happened from the point where I received a cheater message and entered the arena. Caer has looked at the log and knows what you're saying is a lie, not to mention he already posted that I don't even have powers in 4v4, which is true and I never claimed to have powers nor did I say I would ban you during that game. So the point is completely moot. But I'm not going to get in to a fight with you and play your little petty games, so feel free to try to slander me all you wish.

[Caerbannog]

[quote name='cash flow' timestamp='1306343776' post='275409']

caer you made a fair and balanced ruling on that situation, I will actually congratulate you on it... Surrey on the other hand was threatening to ban me in that game for no reason other than he doesn't like me apparently because we beat his squad earlier this year in a game he LVPed. Ever since then he can't stop typing to me in any game we are both in. His comments were that "7 people have complained to me that you should be banned" are a little hard to believe considering there was nothing I did illegal nor 7 other people in the arena in spec. I don't understand what the criteria are for having mod powers, considering that people like Surrey are clearly not emotionally stable enough to handle their own selves, much less have discretionary powers over other people...

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I've read the prac logs that we're dealing with here. Surrey did not threaten to ban you. Also at this point that would make no difference, since he has as much access to any bans as you do. The seven people part, well, I don't know about the exact number but your shenanigans are generally not found hilarious. I could believe they told surrey to ban you, just cause they don't like you any more than Surrey does.



What they may have failed to realize is the fact stated above, Surrey cannot ban anyone <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



Plus I discussed with Surrey about this whole thing, he wouldn't ban anyone based on it.

[cash flow]

Surrey did in fact threaten to ban me, its called Private Message. Most of the people there were Happy Mob, not exactly shocking they don't like me and would complain. I wish in this instance you can define what "shananigans" you are referring to as I did nothing wrong in the entire practice. You said in one sentence "Surrey can't ban anyone", then in the next sentence you say "he wouldn't ban anyone based on it"... Why would it be relevant that he "wouldn't ban anyone based on it" if he "can not ban anyone"?

[Idolatrous]

[quote name='cash flow' timestamp='1306346787' post='275416']

Surrey did in fact threaten to ban me, its called Private Message. Most of the people there were Happy Mob, not exactly shocking they don't like me and would complain. I wish in this instance you can define what "shananigans" you are referring to as I did nothing wrong in the entire practice. You said in one sentence "Surrey can't ban anyone", then in the next sentence you say "he wouldn't ban anyone based on it"... Why would it be relevant that he "wouldn't ban anyone based on it" if he "can not ban anyone"?

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Again with your fabrications. The only one Happy Mob there was Mindriot, no one else was from my squad there. And secondly, I am a member of the Staff who was present at the time of the altercation and in the discussion I said I wouldn't ban anyone involved in this incident due to the fact it was mostly just arguing for the sake of arguing with each other instead of playing it out and starting a new one. Mindriot engaged when I entered and told him to either engage or spec please. You chose to not allow a sub by banning all those who wanted to sub in and end the game as well as to not fight mindriot yourself because you would rather complain and whine about him and I, which I have no powers so complaining I am biased does nothing. So I simply got everyone to a new arena to start another practice and let you two sit there and wait out the timer free to complain about each other all you want.



Yes you came in to the 4v4 arena later and started taunting me typing "Ban me, I dare you to try to ban me" over and over. I did say "it probably won't be too long". Although, I was not referring to myself banning you, just you getting banned in general. I probably shouldn't have said that and kept my mouth shut, so I apologize for that. But taunting staff members is probably not in your best interests given your past.



And that will be my last comment on this issue.

[cash flow]

Surrey, everyone who knows you knows how much you stretch the truth. First of all, I wasn't the cap, I didn't ban anyone as I didn't even have the ability to do so. Talk about fabricating the truth... Secondly, you threatened to ban me, so I told you I dared you to because I knew you were bluffing. End of story. Don't try to play the victim, everyone knows you are the one that always starts "altercations".

[Caerbannog]

I was referring to how people constantly ?cheater you for interrupting 2v2 pracs that or you generally acting stupid.



As for what makes Surrey's thoughts on banning anyone based on what happened:

"Surrey on the other hand was threatening to ban me in that game for no reason other than he doesn't like me apparently because we beat his squad earlier this year in a game he LVPed. Ever since then he can't stop typing to me in any game we are both in. His comments were that "7 people have complained to me that you should be banned" are a little hard to believe considering there was nothing I did illegal nor 7 other people in the arena in spec. I don't understand what the criteria are for having mod powers, considering that people like Surrey are clearly not emotionally stable enough to handle their own selves, much less have discretionary powers over other people... "



Your judgment could be a bit off there.

[cash flow]

As far as "generally acting stupid" thats a subjective observation that I am sure quite a few people would turn towards you as often as they would to me. I also find it funny that "people constantly ?cheater me for 2v2" I haven't had a complaint in longer than i can remember. Not only do your earlier statements contradict themselves, but now you are making factually inaccurate accusations. You should spend more of your time trying to save League than respond defensively to my board posts.

[Caerbannog]

[quote name='cash flow' timestamp='1306464209' post='275463']

As far as "generally acting stupid" thats a subjective observation that I am sure quite a few people would turn towards you as often as they would to me. I also find it funny that "people constantly ?cheater me for 2v2" I haven't had a complaint in longer than i can remember. Not only do your earlier statements contradict themselves, but now you are making factually inaccurate accusations. You should spend more of your time trying to save League than respond defensively to my board posts.

[/quote]



I'm sorry, where's the contradiction?



And none of the "accusations" are incorrect. People ?cheater you a lot when you fly into a 2v2 box pretending to not know there was a practice about to take place. And while acting stupid is subjective, someone had ?messaged me about this incident asking for me to ban you since you're annoying and frustrating and whatnot.



Now, it should be obvious that I'm not going to start people for being annoying, everyone should understand that this is not a very solid plan of action.



And yes, spending time on saving league sounds fantastic. As soon as someone tells me how to do this.

[cash flow]

I'm sorry, where's the contradiction?

read your earlier post about surrey not being able to ban me, then you said he wouldn't ban me in that situation. contradictory



And none of the "accusations" are incorrect. People ?cheater you a lot when you fly into a 2v2 box pretending to not know there was a practice about to take place. And while acting stupid is subjective, someone had ?messaged me about this incident asking for me to ban you since you're annoying and frustrating and whatnot.

that hasn't happened in a long, long, time. the gate has been working for months, if not a couple years. way to bring something up from 2007.



Now, it should be obvious that I'm not going to start people for being annoying, everyone should understand that this is not a very solid plan of action.

Are you referring to "start people" from your squad for being annoying? I don't see how that is relevant.



And yes, spending time on saving league sounds fantastic. As soon as someone tells me how to do this.

You can start by not neglecting the responsibility you have; namely showing up to the games you are supposed to Mod on time, and by running your position as if it was a democracy and not as a dictatorship. Take a cue from Egypt. Consider taking some input in to your decisions more, it would give us the illusion you care about what things others recommend implementing into the League.

[mindriot]

Caer, I was upset because you restarted the match against The Dark. I have since spoken to members of The Dark and I was informed that both captains agreed, hence, my point was moot and I was no longer mad at you, which is why I edited my post and deleted my original complaint. At this point, I'd like to say, thanks Caer for doing this unholy and shitty job, as a bit of advice.. please let someone else work with you so that it doesn't seem like it's a Tyrant run league and if you're praccing, someone else can organize matches, seriously... it would be better for the league if you let someone join you.



Finally, el father and cash flow are fucking faggots.



I did ship change into a javelin but I continued to engage and try to fight them. They kept running and banning anyone that jumped on freq. That's what happened, ask Surrey, he witnessed it.





OH another note, Cash Flow needs serious mental help. The guy is a total fucking cunt and I wish he would kill himself.



Sincerely,

Mindriot

[cash flow]

I actually specced before you started running, as the log will show. You typed "now I will run for 20 minutes", at which point I specced. However, a well articulated post, I'm sure literary critics will speak of it for years. Heres to wishing your continuing mental health, friend.

[mindriot]

[quote name='cash flow' timestamp='1306637742' post='275477']

I actually specced before you started running, as the log will show. You typed "now I will run for 20 minutes", at which point I specced. However, a well articulated post, I'm sure literary critics will speak of it for years. Heres to wishing your continuing mental health, friend.

[/quote]





LOL @ the act! Oh man.. I commend your efforts noble jester in my Kingly court, you foolish little troll I shit you not. I will tell a tale of this foolish boy, who came to toy with a dragon's balls. I will name duel you, any thing you call, and crush your feeble soul so that one of us may leave, once and.. for all.



Bitch.

[cash flow]

I hope people are reading this. If they were not previously aware of your bipolar conduct, I think at this point your words speak for themselves. I don't need to say another word... I commend you for trying to defend your squad "leader", but I think you do yourself and your squad a disservice by continuing to post on here at this point.

[mindriot]

[quote name='cash flow' timestamp='1306643666' post='275479']

I hope people are reading this. If they were not previously aware of your bipolar conduct, I think at this point your words speak for themselves. I don't need to say another word... I commend you for trying to defend your squad "leader", but I think you do yourself and your squad a disservice by continuing to post on here at this point.

[/quote]



You do us all a disservice by continuing to breath. Please do the following:



1. Find a bent fork or spoon

2. Find an outlet

3. Find a bucket of piss water (not regular water, make sure it is piss.)

4. Douse yourself with said piss water.

5. Stab yourself repeatedly with the bent fork.

6. Place bent fork into power outlet and fry like the dirty piece of shit that you are.



Thank you Kindly,

Sincerely,

Mindriot

[Caerbannog]

[quote name='cash flow' timestamp='1306623715' post='275475']

I'm sorry, where's the contradiction?

read your earlier post about surrey not being able to ban me, then you said he wouldn't ban me in that situation. contradictory



And none of the "accusations" are incorrect. People ?cheater you a lot when you fly into a 2v2 box pretending to not know there was a practice about to take place. And while acting stupid is subjective, someone had ?messaged me about this incident asking for me to ban you since you're annoying and frustrating and whatnot.

that hasn't happened in a long, long, time. the gate has been working for months, if not a couple years. way to bring something up from 2007.



Now, it should be obvious that I'm not going to start people for being annoying, everyone should understand that this is not a very solid plan of action.

Are you referring to "start people" from your squad for being annoying? I don't see how that is relevant.



And yes, spending time on saving league sounds fantastic. As soon as someone tells me how to do this.

You can start by not neglecting the responsibility you have; namely showing up to the games you are supposed to Mod on time, and by running your position as if it was a democracy and not as a dictatorship. Take a cue from Egypt. Consider taking some input in to your decisions more, it would give us the illusion you care about what things others recommend implementing into the League.

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Read the rules. I'm not supposed to mod anything.

I am taking input, but there is none, or very little.



If I was not paying attention, I probably wouldn't waste my time replying to your posts where you intentionally misread things and fail at logic.



Surrey not being able to ban you = he does not have the power to

Surrey would not ban anyone based on what happened = even if he did, he would not have banned anyone.



Those two statements do not contradict each other, since they don't even deal with the same issue.



As for what mindriot said; I've been asking for volunteer staff members for a long time. From the few people who volunteered, I let Jaku join. The other two people who have expressed any interest have been varsity and Dre. I don't count either one as a viable candidate, I don't want to get into staff drama where I need to fire/ban someone for doing something stupid with their powers.

[maeniel]

LOL surrey as staff ? Glad i deleted this game months ago