How Can We *MAKE* Someone Play This Game?

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Quote:AMAZINGLY, the 'experiment' was deemed inconclusive, and it was decided to change it back .... juuusst coincidentally, right after Gad and his turret gunners whined.

Nope ..... no CAVING IN there ..... ALLLL coincidence im sure

No, no caving in. Experiment run course, evaluated, acted upon. The reset finished at the same time it was expected to, it wasn't brought forward or delayed to accommodate anything. When it came about, Hallu made the change. Why are you so intent on demanding that an action NOT taken against players you think are lame, is caving in? It seems that, in the same way that Gad claims changes have been made to hurt specifically him, you are claiming that a change has been made to specifically NOT hurt him. At this point the question must asked: would you like to see things happen that help the zone, or things happen that hurt play-style you personally don't like?



Mine-repping is not illegal and not some new superweapon. Its been around for ages. Its not to be outlawed. Sure, its easier in this day and age to lamely pwn with its use, so maybe some scaling adjustments are necessary. But no more than that.

Quote:Actually i added quite abit to the discussion as you well know NFS , in fact i provided alot of the PROS and CONS and i asked if others had any to add to the DISCUSSION ..... none of which was provided by Gad (as i mentioned IN my posts and as i asked FOR again in those same posts...).

Yes, agreed. I'm not claiming you did not contribute. I find value in your comments quite a lot, even if I don't always agree with them. You'll note that I express myself very candidly, regardless of whether I have just agreed or disagreed with your previous point. I don't just take sides, I deal with everything on its individual merits. I'll agree when I agree, and I'll disagree when I don't agree. Its surprising how rare that is!



What I'm claiming is you're wrong in alleging a "cave-in", and I am concerned that more times you stubbornly scream it out, the more opportunity there is for it to transmute into disinformation. Every time you shout something that's wrong, expect someone to tell you its wrong.

Quote:Now what i just asked was WHO complained (provided their 'vote' and reasoning) and asked for it to be changed back ? And WHAT was the info/reasoning ? Ive asked in TWO threads now .....

If this was an experiment ... then thats part of the RESULTS ....... So, Id like to know.

Otherwise it DOES look like caving in.



And i also asked WHO IT HELPED .... was it 'new people'? .... of whom hallu said there were TWO. Not exactly much data to make any worthwhile conclusion, but whatever.

It certainly didnt seem like it HURT new people. But wait, did it have the unforseen benefit of making it more challenging to be a mine repper, and harder to minestack then hide ? ....... No we wouldnt want THAT *sarcasm*, hurting those poor guys who try SO hard to be lame in the now depleted Chaos zone. Instead lets just ignore the benefits it may have for the avg players (which would include new ppl and regulars)

This is more purely Hallu's side of things, but I have seen a lot of negative feedback from Gad and folk who generally can be seen gunning on Gad. I've not seen anyone totally pro-1 minute mines. I have not seen anyone overly helped or hurt by the change. I killed a bountied up poo bucket with a mine rep yesterday, man that was sweet <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dirol.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

The only other person I've seen make a negative comment about the 1-minute timer, is me.

Overall, the results seem inconclusive. So, at the end of the test period, it would make sense to reset it to how it was before.

If we dismiss Gad & co's opposition as pure whining - and ignore it, then we are left with a 0 for, 0 against result. A tie. So it fails to make the cut.

Quote:... since theyre not whining .......

Well ... they weren't whining <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':pardon:' />

Quote:Sometimes a trial for one thing has other unexpected results (ex: Viagara).

Firstly, that's a waterfall.

Quote:In this instance it was making things more difficult for the mine reppers ......... hmmmmm you know .. the guys that were whining to hallu and basically had NOTHING to back any of their claims besides " YOURE ALL BEING MEEEAN ...AND MAKING IT HARDER FOR ME TO BE A LAMER!! "

........... but look .... IT WORKS !!

Good plan

Honestly, if no-one else seems to think it helped them feel any safer or better defended against those lamers, then ... who cares?

Quote:PS: i love emoticons

I copy pasted your post into a text file to read because of the number of smilies <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blum.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':good:' />