How Can We *MAKE* Someone Play This Game?

[Jazz]

WHAT THE HELL !! <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':o' /> MY EMOTES !!!





[quote name='Nude For Satan' timestamp='1302140419' post='274498']

No, no caving in. Experiment run course, evaluated, acted upon. The reset finished at the same time it was expected to, it wasn't brought forward or delayed to accommodate anything. When it came about, Hallu made the change. Why are you so intent on demanding that an action NOT taken against players you think are lame, is caving in? It seems that, in the same way that Gad claims changes have been made to hurt specifically him, you are claiming that a change has been made to specifically NOT hurt him. At this point the question must asked: would you like to see things happen that help the zone, or things happen that hurt play-style you personally don't like?

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So how long was this ‘experiment’ going on for ? And as I already asked ….. what IS the data that was evaluated and what were the findings ?

And NFS why are you talking about the RESET 'wasnt brought forward or delayed to accomodate anything' ?!?! That was never a question.

Do you actually KNOW if the experiment had 'run its course' ? The appearance is that the 'experiment' was ended at the EARLIEST convenient opportunity (i.e. nearest reset .... "coincidentally" within days of Gads whining). And with no information, claiming the 'experiment had run its course' as the convenient justification for this ending still seems alot like caving in .....



If youre claiming to run it as an experiment, then publish your findings LIKE you would with an experiment <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

No information was given about the changes BEFORE it occurred (so that results weren’t contaminated?), at least expand on the info AFTER the experiment by providing some answers so we can see what can be learned from the experiment.

You can learn a lot from FAILED experiments as well as SUCCESSFUL ones ….. <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />



NFS ….. lol <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> im pretty sure im not the only person who thinks his playing ‘stlye’ is lame … but ok <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> You can assume that its just MY opinion ALONE if youd like. As always the silent majority will remain … silent <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> So we wont really know which way they go do we ?



And as you’ve already agreed, ive made some effort to contribute to these forums. Hopefully it helps the zone. Maybe it affects play-styles that I don’t personally like. Does that mean they are mutually exclusive ?!?!? <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/unknw.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':unknw:' /> <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />





I can make the claim that its ‘CAVING IN’ because the ONLY info I HAVE to go on so far is that “GAD CRIES = SETTINGS CHANGED BACK ASAP”

And yes …. I CAN claim that a change was made to specifically NOT hurt Gad. Why ? Because as mentioned, ‘Gad and his gunners complain that it hurts them, and settings were changed’.

But feel free to tell me im wrong ….. I don’t mind. Just tell me why <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

Same way I will ALSO agree or disagree with points, but i at least will state my reasons ….. because then there can be some clarification. Which is where the info I requested earlier comes in.





[quote name='Nude For Satan' timestamp='1302140419' post='274498']

Mine-repping is not illegal and not some new superweapon. Its been around for ages. Its not to be outlawed. Sure, its easier in this day and age to lamely pwn with its use, so maybe some scaling adjustments are necessary. But no more than that.

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Ummmmm ….. I don’t remember EVER saying it should be illegal and outlawed. So please show me where ive said this. Ive said I think it’s a lame tactic.

If youre going to claim IM trying 'disinformation' (despite providing references and reasoning with my posts) then you should at least show me where i said that ..... ? <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />





[quote name='Nude For Satan' timestamp='1302140419' post='274498']

This is more purely Hallu's side of things, but I have seen a lot of negative feedback from Gad and folk who generally can be seen gunning on Gad. I've not seen anyone totally pro-1 minute mines. I have not seen anyone overly helped or hurt by the change. I killed a bountied up poo bucket with a mine rep yesterday, man that was sweet <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dirol.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='8)' />

The only other person I've seen make a negative comment about the 1-minute timer, is me.

Overall, the results seem inconclusive. So, at the end of the test period, it would make sense to reset it to how it was before.

If we dismiss Gad & co's opposition as pure whining - and ignore it, then we are left with a 0 for, 0 against result. A tie. So it fails to make the cut.

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Errr NFS …. The only other person that complained about the 1min mines was you ? …. Was this before or after you mine-repped ? <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> LOL. If you go back and read my post, it wasn’t about hurting GAD, it was about finding a ‘scaling adjustment’ (as you called it), the 1min mines may not have started as this but WERE a scaling adjustment ….. to reflect the zone as it is now. SMALL, with very FEW players. Ive explained how in other posts.



As stated before, ‘inconclusive’? At helping new people ? You mean those TWO people who turreted hallu while Gad was there (one time I saw them turreting), but played on their own while no one was mine repping (again I saw them once).

Was it also inconclusive as a ‘scaling adjustment’ too ? Ive posted PROs and CONs with regard to that. Which part of that was inclonclusive ? I don’t remember seeing any responses to that. I’ll go recheck later.



And Gad&Cos whining isn’t being dismissed, I asked him to provide info too. Which he conveniently hasn’t. However it seems my OWN questions ARE being dismissed <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> So apparently its not information thats sought, but non-substantiated whining.

You asked ME if im trying to help the zone, or hurt a playing style …..go back and read my posts, ive ALREADY provided answers in the form of pros and cons as to why it would help the zone and what type of styles it would probably affect and HOW. So ask Gad the same question….. “At this point the question must asked: would you like to see things happen that help the zone, or things happen that hurt play-style you personally don't like?” (hunters and general melee fighters).





[quote name='Nude For Satan' timestamp='1302140419' post='274498']

Honestly, if no-one else seems to think it helped them feel any safer or better defended against those lamers, then ... who cares?

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Is that what they actually SAID, or what youre assuming ? Did you ask ? How many chaos players read the forums regularly and followed the discussion to consider the positions ?

Samy seems to think it DID help. Chances are there are others who believe the same. But he says he would still prefer no changes being made. Which is totally fine. He noticed a difference, but just doesnt think any changes should be made to certain settings from the original days.

Ideally that would be great ..... if it was still the old days with LOTS of players.