4v4 ship settings - Season 36

[j00n]

For obvious reasons I have to come and rebuttal your pathetic distorted accusations against me in an attempt to deflect the negative attention from your ignorant self.



1."Plus with all the material j00n provided for the harrasment cases against him, and the bans he had for it, I don't think your racism claims have much weight. Sorry."



First off I appreciate you bringing this to everyone's attention. I would like to begin with correcting your claim which is a logically flawed statement in itself. There is no logical correlation between --> You being a league operator and conducting yourself in an ignorant racist manner as well as degrading individuals with foul profane language AND -----> stating this carries no weight because 1 player in a game (me) has harassed someone and gotten banned in the past. (*note) The former nor the latter have any relation which each other. It involved different individuals.



All this proves is that you are agreeing that harassment is wrong and is a bannable offense. Is this zone so corrupt that staff members are allowed to harass and degrade players by use of racism and profanity? You agree that other players who have harassed and used profanity were banned, but yet you state, that because other players have done these things you somehow have immunity against them? It's a wonder why this games dying...



2. "Mr. B-Hole> j00n sits in here and says he wishes poeples children would die in real life....its just dispicable"



I am actually embarrassed for you that this is the best thing you could come up with. Especially since I don't know what a "poeples" is or what "dispicable" means. IF this statement were accurate it still carries NO justification for you as a league operator to display yourself in an ignorant, fascist, de-meaning manner. You are clearly deflecting here by manufacturing delusions that because a player by the name of Mr. B-hole says a statement about someone else it MUST be true. You are making an even Bigger mistake that by assuming if it were true this statement warrants all actions you have and are not held personally accountable. The bottom line is; your claims as well as this statement are exclusively erroneous and validate how cretinous you truly are. Is this really a way staff members conduct investigations and defend themselves against foul play? By quoting random banter in pub that has no relevance to what's truly going on....



3. "which j00n confesses to, R defends him, etc. They don't seem to have a problem with language, unless they want to act professionally butthurt."



This statement is completely false. The facts are; I started playing again 3 months ago from an 8 year break, I had altercations with Axe Demento in the beginning, as a result I was reprimanded by staff and received a 1 day ban. For the record I never said nor wanted his child to die. Hallu and passplay spoke to me about the rules and the bantering stopped. However from what I understand YOU didn't start playing 3 months ago, You aren't just a player but the owner and operator of 4v4 league, and You should have absolutely NO excuses. Most importantly, how does this relate to what three's concerns were about or your integrity as a league operator??



4v4 league is a place of great historical significance in this wonderful game we spend so much time in and It is obvious that many of us have endured a predominate amount of disrespect from you. It is distressing that under the topic "4v4 Ship Settings" in response to Three's post you ran out of excuses and felt the need to try and degrade me with inaccurate logically flawed statements that as anyone can see ultimately made you look like a stooge. Even an evasive charlatan as yourself leaves a trail. When I started playing subspace again and learned that 4v4 league was still alive I was ecstatic with joy. I reunited with some old ss buddies and had many nostalgic conversations about the "good ole days". We had talks of why the league has declined and things we could do to make it better. We called up old vets and discussed bringing back an old squad RaDaR for next session to add to population growth. As the season progressed we realized this was impossible to do with a person like you, Caerbannog, in power.



You say "it would be nice" to create a Captains council where captains of each squad have a say in how league is run. However, you note that, "captains show no interest at all or don't want to change anything". The issue isn't with squads not showing interest. People don't spend time away from their family/friends/real world to play every week and have no voice. The better question to ask yourself is why aren't captains of teams wanting to be a part of a council where they can influence the very league they play? I think it's a fact that many people in pro think you ignore and disregard what they have to say. This includes your very own staff. It is a fact that when you do get some suggestions such as changing settings you make a total mockery of the situation and humiliate and disrespect all parties involved (see screenshot below). I think it's a fact you ignore the rules and bend them as you please. This includes dictating inconsistent roster changes as well as the above issues with harassment, ignorance, and bigotry. How many times do I and others have to hear or experience “I gave many suggestions over the course of years but it fell on deaf ears”. I think it's a fact that your totalitarian-esque subjectivism reinforces to players that this is NOT a professionally run league and those of us that have good ideas and want to contribute are completely discouraged in doing so. What I am trying to say is that of course it is of no surprise but to you that none of the squad captains want anything to do with YOU or your council as you stated.



Since, you decided to play the quote game which was a complete SCOPE shift to the real issues three was concerned with, I have screenshots of the most recent anecdotes from our League Operator.







Thank you league operator for pointing out that because I got lagged into spec during a practice I should be called a nigger followed with completely being degraded and humiliated.



Below is a message that Caerbannog sent to everyone in pro league on Sunday after matches. Caerbannog tells the public to come test the "bad changes" that the 4v4 community had spent many hours discussing and Three spent the time to request on forums. It goes without saying that discrediting something before anyone has had a chance to see it for themselves sabotages and undermines the test preemptively. As you can see, once again, it is of NO surprise to anyone but you that none of the squad captains want anything to do with YOU or your council as you stated.







This isn't about what I did or said. This isn't about the subspace community showing "no interest or caring". This is about you as owner and league operator of a zone we dedicate time and energy to. For you to own up to your mistakes, not just hear but listen to what the players are telling you, and to not perverse from the truth.