02-27-2014, 08:52 PM
Quoting is difficult here, I've got these out of order.
Continuing to green share past 100 is an option we all would agree would be silly. So the only alternative in this specific is to reward-share from the flag game to those holding flags only, For eg: you are on a three-player freq - you have 7 flags, two teammates hunt down the last flag and 1 of them kills the flag-holder. You could get 7/8 of the rewards and the other killer 1/8.. Equal share of flag points but porportional share of 'greens' or whatever calc is used to retoy the winner. Maybe with a 1/8 or 2/8 baseline so that that third players still gets something although not much.
Rewards too high : There needs to be some sufficient reward (and don't get me wrong I don't like the flag game at all). But can it be toned down a little? Maybe share the retoy rewards over the players same as sharing the ?jackpot?
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It's odd that we stop 'green sharing' at 100bty for 'normal CZ game play' but if you're on a freq with a flagger, and never touch a flag, or help kill a flagger, or even see the flagger on your freq while they flag - you get a rediculous reward too.
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Continuing to green share past 100 is an option we all would agree would be silly. So the only alternative in this specific is to reward-share from the flag game to those holding flags only, For eg: you are on a three-player freq - you have 7 flags, two teammates hunt down the last flag and 1 of them kills the flag-holder. You could get 7/8 of the rewards and the other killer 1/8.. Equal share of flag points but porportional share of 'greens' or whatever calc is used to retoy the winner. Maybe with a 1/8 or 2/8 baseline so that that third players still gets something although not much.
Quote:<div>The biggest issue with the flag game is how it can be won without engagement. I doubt anyone could argue this, although finding the answer is much tricker. Do you try to include a requirement that the last flag can never be just found, but must be killed for, if your freq already has 7? Probably impossible to code anyway. But even if so, then you'll find opposing freqs simply refusing to grab the flag, leaving the 7/8 team stranded while their timer runs out. Exploits everywhere. No answer I can see. What if gaining a flag (without killing) always warps you to a central part of the map (hopefully providing risk of discovery and maybe even the risk of appearing in a dangerous spot). Problem is, a player with high bty running for 2 hours without any interest in flags will use them to warp from hunters. It'd be like 8 more wormholes.
I think that we've removed a very important balance to this game type - in that ships on the
winning team are not reset after a win. This in turn makes the game self sustaining and self perpetuating.
And allows active flaggers to basically avoid the rest of the zone for the most part while remaining highly powerful
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Quote:<div>Two points you make: flags too easy to find, and rewards too high. Can flags be made harder to find? They are already invisible on radar. Maybe have their languish-time be shortened? It might make things trickier. Just sitting around them waiting for kills, before claiming the ?jackpot would be arrested a little.
...meanwhile, everone that doesn't flag is left with the wonky nature of greening and ship cycles on spawn... flags are EASY to find, and what they reward, absolute. No guessing 'will that be the rep I so desparately need' - it'll be a rep, and 2 more reps, and damn near 3 of everything else...even for low flag point wins.
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Rewards too high : There needs to be some sufficient reward (and don't get me wrong I don't like the flag game at all). But can it be toned down a little? Maybe share the retoy rewards over the players same as sharing the ?jackpot?
Quote:<div>See above.
I think the Green rewards for a win are way to high across the board.
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