12-04-2014, 02:58 PM
(12-04-2014, 10:39 AM)Nude For Satan Wrote: I watched this prac quietly from sometime shortly after Mindriot got the first of the four kills he has been repeatedly mentioning. I have a bunch of thoughts but they go both ways. I do not play for Sterling. I have never played for, nor had any affiliation with, Sterling. I do not even have a rapport with anyone on Sterling.
Actually Arctos, A-virus was the sub-out for Jake. After publicly discussing whether he should he sub in, a-virus specced, then Rage left arena, then NINE subbed in, then Domaniac kicked NINE, then Jake entered the arena, then subbed in (and was not kicked). I don't think there's much argument that a-virus specced so that Rage could sub in. This is not a case of someone unfortunately dconning or having to leave, but an agreement to swap players. (my log includes entered and left arena notices). That NINE hopped in for 11 seconds is separate from the action as a whole.
On the other side of the coin, Mindriot you need to stop bignoting about the four kills you got as last man in, because two of them were very clearly suicides for toys/shipchange. I didn't see the first of the kills but I saw the next three.
Engagement isn't a do or don't scenario, it's a sliding scale. Yes mindriot engaged, he backlobbed, sometimes mined, and bounced back at anyone he had hit to give the emped enemy a spray. backlobbing, mining, multi bullets into the corner of a structure while running is technically engaging but for the purposes of prac health may not be sufficient, it's the diet coke of engaging ... not engaging enough.
But it's iffy. You can't just end any game at 4v or 3v1. I've watched Buny pick everyone off from that position before, and like anyone 1v3+ he had to keep on the move and wait for each enemy to take damage or overfire (miss). Buny didn't have the benefit of the weasel as his ship of choice. Nobody said "just end it, stop wasting time" then.
The winning team should imo have parked themselves in the middle of the arena and invited mindriot to attack. Winning teams are not required by the rules to "engage" in the endgame. Losing teams are. MR would have had to have either attacked or specced.
Mind you, when Rage (with Odin nearby) and Mindriot were parked either side of the wall at the end, each streaming bullets that weren't even aimed at each other but were merely taunts ... it is worth noting that Mindriot did edge up and around and get an emp in. While I'm not convinced he engaged enough during the prior 15 minutes, he did do exactly the right thing then.
The bloke you all need to speak to is 9-Volt. He took .stats right after Mindriot went to LL (13min expired), and again just after Odin suicided for a full ship (23min). Lets have a look at those stats and calculate the dpm Mindriot was doing during his LL.
Nude:
I do not feel like any kill was a result of a suicide. I got 2 kills with gun duels after bouncing back into the enemy. I earned a 3rd kill by bombing a frustrated Odin because he over extended after spending the first 5 to 10 minutes sitting idly and wining. Finally, I rocketed Domaniac from a coord away after I escaped from Odin and a-virus... he was not expecting it and died because he wasted 2 reps beforehand trying to trap me in an obstacle. I'm honestly considering recording all my games so that I don't have to keep repeating myself when I tell the truth. I have no reason to embellish events. Finally, to comment on the "stand off" in the last minute, if you recall, I was typing to Rage and letting him know that he was already out but did push forward nonetheless.
Arctos:
You simply were not there. I have no idea how you can possibly state the prac was over when it wasn't. You cannot just force reality into your view of things just because you have an opinion on the rules of engagement. Your perception of events does not reflect facts. The prac wasn't over. Many 4 on 1's and 3 on 1's have been won in the past and I was on pace to win another, hence, why Rage opted to abuse the rules. I was playing the game and respecting the rules and using self-respect to not go gently into that good night. Finally Arctos, if you cannot trap and kill 1 pilot with 3 pilots than you do not belong in league. I was flying a weasel.
Finally, to comment on Rage's ban. First of all, I did not expect Rage to get banned and was surprised when it was brought up. I genuinely wasn't sure if Rage subbing back in after dying out was abuse. I was not out for his head. I informed the pro council that if a ban is put in place, that it shouldn't be severe and implemented at the beginning of the week to give him a chance to prepare for his match on Sunday. I don't hate anyone in this game, even if they can be an asshole. All I want is people to show respect, for the game, the staff, and each-other. I never see you online Arctos but Rage is generally pretty abusive to everyone in the game. Not a day goes by where he does not insult/or put someone down, or the staff. If someone is trying hard to win a match, you should not interfere with it by abusing the rules because you have a chip on your shoulder, or because you have a personal perception of what is and what isn't winnable. That is the problem here and where Rage crossed the line. I played with respect for the game, the enemy, and myself and did not break or abuse any rules.