03-12-2014, 07:24 PM
Squad predictions and analysis for season #whateverthisis. We were lazy so it's in chat form and it went a surprisingly long time so we had to take it to a Part 2 to come later. All controversial opinions are courtesy of Plut so please message him if you feel disrespected. Hope you enjoy:
ufotable> ok
ufotable> hmmm
ufotable> is there a list of squads somewhere
Plutorus> ok
Plutorus> http://svssubspace.com/index.php?page=Rosters
Plutorus> im gonna use that
Plutorus> should be up to date for the active squads for the most part
ufotable> Ok lets start with Assassins
ufotable> Looks like much the same roster as last season minus 3 and Ozn
Plutorus> and rage, but he's prob afk
ufotable> oh good call
ufotable> Rage Sai Nacre and Dev/Mop/Sika/Kdak will probably be fine from a teamwork standpoint
ufotable> It's easier to be grouped and have teamwork when you're pushing the other team all over the map
ufotable> as evidenced in the finals against FTN last season
ufotable> even with the prac disparity
ufotable> How do you think they'll do this season?
Plutorus> three, ozn and bhang are all big losses, but as long as they have the nacre/saiyan pairing, they have the surrounding cast to take my #1 ranking
ufotable> oh I forgot bhang went to EGO
ufotable> did you actually do some prep for this and rank the squads? now I feel unprepared
Plutorus> I think we're in a league where you really need 2 elites to win, and nacre/saiyan fits the bill for them. I think nacre is the best player overall too
Plutorus> backarrow next?
ufotable> not done yet!
Plutorus> kk
ufotable> I'd also pick them as #1
ufotable> though I'm not sure who's active and who's not
ufotable> Does Jae even play anymore? I haven't seen Sika in months
Plutorus> yeah, activity is a big key for them
ufotable> Actives could just be Nacre, Sai, Mop, Dev and.... Seven/Penguin?
ufotable> If you count coming in and saying "U LIFF" to be activity
Plutorus> huge, I'd agree
ufotable> Worst case scenario
ufotable> lets say only Nacre, Sai, Dev and a random 4th are active this season
ufotable> are they still #1?
Plutorus> yes
Plutorus> unless that 4th is penguin every single game, or important games
ufotable> lol
ufotable> you know he can bench 1000000 lbs 40x
ufotable> don't underestimate
ufotable> they're #1 for me too, even in that worst case
Plutorus> bebebebebebeb
ufotable> ok, BackArrow?
ufotable> you're up first
Plutorus> ok, backarrow has lost a few key members lately, in savage and fedu
ufotable> That's right - I did see Sav hanging out with Llamas
ufotable> actually, he played against us this past week
ufotable> Fedu is so solid in all aspects and makes the right play more often than not
ufotable> big loss I agree
Plutorus> not only loss from talent standpoint, which it is, but activity as well; savage and fedu are both active
ufotable> Doesn't Sav kinda go in and out from an activity standpoint?
Plutorus> backarrow needs to recruit some people fast...or they are heavily reliant on a small core to show up every week
ufotable> BackArrow is definitely one of the more active practicing squads
ufotable> I see Tuna, Candy, Sabre, Plare, Arc, Jones, and Hook almost daily
ufotable> 7 solid actives I think is more than most squads can say - not sure I agree on the aggressive need to recruit
Plutorus> hmm, I havent seen Jones much.
ufotable> maybe not so much lately hmm
ufotable> so 6 actives
Plutorus> sabre and plare seem iffy to me, although both are solid. Hook is probably a bit too tentative to hang with a faster paced game right now
Plutorus> I see sabre and plare seldom, although they seem more active this week, agreed
ufotable> I think you touch on an important point
ufotable> The pace on those players vary wildly
Plutorus> yea
ufotable> Sabre does lag behind, not necessarily in terms of talent but in preferred pace
ufotable> Their potential top 4 of Tuna/Arc/Plare/Sabre (or Candy) varies so much in speed
Plutorus> its really true, I can see them having pacing issues
ufotable> and that probably doesn't hurt them against lower level opponents, but starting with Llama level its a problem
ufotable> That being said, significant veteran moxy on this squad
Plutorus> one worry I have with a particular key vet is Arctos - he looks bored to me
Plutorus> his top game is great, but does he care enough anymore?
ufotable> Good observation - he's not nearly as strong as I remember
ufotable> not even close
ufotable> I think that question is the key to their season, how much does he want it?
Plutorus> yeah agreed
Plutorus> he can help tuna carry if he's 100%
ufotable> I think they're only going to go as far as Tuna and Arc take them
ufotable> Both in their primes - this is a fearsome squad
Plutorus> definitely
Plutorus> ok, beastfu?
ufotable> the other thing I like about BA, no one dies for free
ufotable> they force you to beat them
ufotable> (or the bot to beat them)
ufotable> ok Beastfu
ufotable> Speaking to GT, these are a lot of RL friends of his from LoL
ufotable> with a couple of old faces like Unoid
ufotable> what are your thoughts?
Plutorus> I love that gold teeth started up a new squad for newer leaguers, but I worry they won't survive much longer.
ufotable> I know they no showed this past Sunday
ufotable> was it daylight savings or something else?
Plutorus> I think it was
ufotable> The roster is only 7 people so it's vital that everyone is active
ufotable> SS CRIPS showed us it can be done
Plutorus> Bukkwild!!!
ufotable> yes!
ufotable> ok
ufotable> quick aside
ufotable> can you name one other guy on CRIPS?
Plutorus> chronic and macksksksks
ufotable> damn
Plutorus> $
ufotable> I couldn't come up with anyone nice call
ufotable> ok back to beastfu
ufotable> I love that they're a new squad as well and the learning curve is going to be steeper this season for the new guys
ufotable> .*steep
ufotable> hope they stick around all season
ufotable> and don't get too discouraged by the losing
ufotable> because the losses are coming
Plutorus> yeah, they are going to struggle winning a single game
ufotable> I've seen Rhino practicing a lot
ufotable> he can play and has potential
ufotable> Comb has played in league, GT has been around for ~15 years
ufotable> Unoid has been around
Plutorus> and then?
ufotable> cann is a pubber right?
ufotable> and I think I've seen spinning in pub?
Plutorus> not sure, only recently saw him enter the scene. he's eager (which goes a long way) but will struggle to last for 10+ minutes I think
Plutorus> gold teeth to be active, and they need to recruit more pilots now, today, tomorrow, immediately to pull this off. fill the roster
ufotable> I think I played a late night 2v2 with cann against Tom Petty and another pubber
ufotable> he has an offensive game, but survivability is an issue
ufotable> I agree
ufotable> we'll leave it off with that, they need 2 more active pilots
Plutorus> yea
Plutorus> btw, credit to gold teeth
ufotable> yes
ufotable> all credit to GT
Plutorus> league needed a squad like this, and he did it
ufotable> If even one of those new guys sticks
ufotable> he'll have done more for the game than most
Plutorus> yes
ufotable> Critical Mass
ufotable> You're up first as an ex-CM member
Plutorus> Haha, great squad with Three and Ozn leading the way. I really enjoyed flying with them, and I've got them ranked as my #2 team overall
ufotable> Whoa
ufotable> ahead of OUTLAWS (rebranded FTN)?
Plutorus> yep
ufotable> wow lets explore that for a second
ufotable> head to head, why do you think CM is better?
Plutorus> I'm not sure how active Kingnewbie is anymore
Plutorus> that would change the equation, but I havent seen him around
ufotable> He suffered an injury a couple months ago right?
Plutorus> yeah, he's recovering from an accident.
ufotable> That could be tough you're right
ufotable> If KN isn't active, I'd give the edge to CM as well
Plutorus> CM is going to be aggressive
Plutorus> I think three washes with bike
Plutorus> both in my top 5 players, btw
ufotable> I'd take 3 over bike because he plays a more important function within his team
ufotable> hard to find a true #1 pilot that will create and force the action
ufotable> .*harder
ufotable> vs. an elite elite finisher and support pilot
Plutorus> three definitely will force the action, yea
ufotable> Since you've been a slut and have been on both squads
Plutorus> they are both special players
ufotable> I won't press you on that =P
ufotable> you can be all middle of the road
Plutorus> haha no its ok
ufotable> Top 4 for CM?
Plutorus> I rate them about equally tbh, I think bike can force the action if needed
Plutorus> I think in his mind tactically, he doesnt feel the need to. But I've seem him take over games when necessary
ufotable> TVB's positioning is so strong as well, he's ALWAYS in the right place to make the play
ufotable> and he doesn't miss on chances
Plutorus> Top 4 for CM....three, ozn, antihuman and 7th/coarse/devious
ufotable> I agree, I would take 3, Ozn, 7th, and Antihuman
Plutorus> Jack is a favorite, I think he's a season or two removed from being a really big player
Plutorus> if he sticks around
ufotable> I haven't seen him in a couple months unfortunately
ufotable> He was #1 in TW right?
Plutorus> yea
Plutorus> he was around last month
Plutorus> alot
ufotable> hope he sticks and keeps practicing hard
ufotable> tremendous talent I agree
Plutorus> but last seen more than 10 days ago
Plutorus> maybe aliased
ufotable> I don't trust coarse or Devious in big games
ufotable> the talent is clearly there, but both have styles that don't feel solid to me
ufotable> especially in a give and take championship type game where each death matters
ufotable> I know you're friends with both so no comment is fine by you
Plutorus> im looking at outlaws roster
Plutorus> I might change my rankings by the end of this log lol
Plutorus> if KN is around, I'd clearly rank them higher
ufotable> We'll get another chance to discuss that when we hit OUTLAWS
ufotable> I'm also nervous if 3 tries to do too much
ufotable> years ago when he used to bang his head against Assassins/Intrepid season after season (mad respect for that)
ufotable> he received an unfair label of a choker because as talented as he is, he felt a need to make everything happen
ufotable> If he takes early deaths in a playoff game, CM could be in trouble
Plutorus> yes
Plutorus> three is definitely key for CM
ufotable> everyone else is repleacable for me other than 3
ufotable> ready to move on?>
Plutorus> ok, discombobulate next!
Plutorus> hardest team to .roster?
Plutorus> I can never spell it
ufotable> Clearly the .roster difficulty champs
ufotable> Solar has taken to calling them Disco Queens
Plutorus> I like disco boobs even better!
ufotable> oooh good call
ufotable> Ok so
ufotable> Who is Mclaren?
Plutorus> good question. Not sure, but he's solid
ufotable> dude can play
ufotable> but he needs to stay out of lanc
Plutorus> in our preseason game vs disco last sunday, they did a great job of using lanc and luring us to boxes
Plutorus> my team is a little too new to 4v4 to really understand how bad of an idea that was
ufotable> you mean bombs that bounce twice
ufotable> in enclosed spaces?
Plutorus> but time and again, they would trick us into heading down there
ufotable> ya that's a recipe for trouble
ufotable> Top 4?
Plutorus> mindriot is playing fantastic lately
ufotable> and how do you see them doing this season?
Plutorus> mindriot, mclaren, rickdog and HMMM
Plutorus> not sure who allelujah is
Plutorus> I think they will do well, rickdog is really improving
Plutorus> wahini is clearly the key
Plutorus> you?
ufotable> Wahini is old school
ufotable> I'd take MR, Mclaren, Pog, and Rick/Acid
ufotable> I agree, Mindriot has shown dimensions lately, especially in a spider, that I didn't expect
ufotable> he's absolutely key for his team
ufotable> When pushing or in a fairly even game, I think they're fine
ufotable> but no one on that roster is a strong team player to me and I worry for them in a game against an aggressive opponent
Plutorus> I think they have a shot against teams like backarrow and ego
ufotable> Hmmmm
ufotable> how much of a shot
Plutorus> providing mindriot continues to play at this level
ufotable> I would give them a puncher's chance
Plutorus> yeah, thats probably accurate
Plutorus> agreed
ufotable> by the way, am I crazy to think that BackArrow reminds me of Jon Fitch
Plutorus> Jon Fitch! One of my fav mma fighters
ufotable> mine too
Plutorus> I think he's the only MMA fighter I follow on twitter
ufotable> lol
Plutorus> and I LOVE that comparison
Plutorus> backarrow tries to wear you down
Plutorus> and win a decision
ufotable> yup
ufotable> they don't beat themselves, and keep grinding and grinding
ufotable> reminds of every Fitch match in existence
ufotable> ok back to Disco
ufotable> where do you see them finishing this season?
Plutorus> I see them battling it out with backarrow, ego, dropships, sfe
ufotable> They beat SFE convincingly in preseason round 1
Plutorus> you started Mfa :p but we'll get to that later
ufotable> MR lured us into what felt like 30 bad spots
Plutorus> they outmanaged us too last sunday, so maybe thats a strength for them. smart play
ufotable> I see them finishing below BA and EGO, neck and neck with Dropships
ufotable> ready to move on?
Plutorus> ya, dropships next. All you
ufotable> After Dropships I need to get back to work and we'll take this to a part 2 later
Plutorus> k
ufotable> ok Dropships
ufotable> interesting mix of Port Llast from last season
ufotable> and Alpha Reunion
ufotable> 4 captains on a squad with 10 people could be too much cooks in the kitchen
ufotable> Who is really the captain
ufotable> .*many not much
Plutorus> sven/nude
ufotable> I thought you were keeping out of this!
Plutorus> im not sure why I have captain lol
Plutorus> oops!
ufotable> lol
ufotable> Top 4 for me: Plut, Sven, Harm, suicidal dentist
ufotable> with Pryde as key sub
ufotable> any subs after that are going to have glaring holes in their game or in their experience
ufotable> and I'm not sure how active sui is
ufotable> he was always on and off for NW
ufotable> and I haven't seen him in a week or two
ufotable> With their top 5, I'd pick them to finish above Disco boobs
ufotable> but that is probably the most compelling matchup of the season
ufotable> (other than the 3 championship contenders of course)
ufotable> rep, Hall, light all have strong potential
ufotable> Light is an all arounder who needs more reps and dueling practice to sharpen up his game and ship control
ufotable> Rep has good aim and control, but he and Hall both suffer from sometimes playing like they're in a duelbox or 2v2 box
ufotable> and it's not the same game in 4v4
ufotable> I think Sven is going to explode this season
ufotable> the talent is there, he's driven as hell, and the improvement over the last 3 months has been exponential
Plutorus> he just exploded reading that line
ufotable>
Plutorus> oops! hi sven
ufotable> Not sure who Harm is, but I know he's there in pracs I play against his team
ufotable> he's a factor
ufotable> Plut is above average in every aspects and a brilliant team player - not many pilots I'd want either on LL or playing in a key game. He's going to make the right decision and be in the right place
ufotable> If the top pilots gel correctly and guys (SVEN) make the leap, I see them finishing above Disco and competing with BA and EGO.
ufotable> last thoughts plut before we close this log and take it to a part 2?
Plutorus> nope, great stuff. Later tonight?
ufotable> not sure, we'll figure it out
ufotable> ok
ufotable> hmmm
ufotable> is there a list of squads somewhere
Plutorus> ok
Plutorus> http://svssubspace.com/index.php?page=Rosters
Plutorus> im gonna use that
Plutorus> should be up to date for the active squads for the most part
ufotable> Ok lets start with Assassins
ufotable> Looks like much the same roster as last season minus 3 and Ozn
Plutorus> and rage, but he's prob afk
ufotable> oh good call
ufotable> Rage Sai Nacre and Dev/Mop/Sika/Kdak will probably be fine from a teamwork standpoint
ufotable> It's easier to be grouped and have teamwork when you're pushing the other team all over the map
ufotable> as evidenced in the finals against FTN last season
ufotable> even with the prac disparity
ufotable> How do you think they'll do this season?
Plutorus> three, ozn and bhang are all big losses, but as long as they have the nacre/saiyan pairing, they have the surrounding cast to take my #1 ranking
ufotable> oh I forgot bhang went to EGO
ufotable> did you actually do some prep for this and rank the squads? now I feel unprepared
Plutorus> I think we're in a league where you really need 2 elites to win, and nacre/saiyan fits the bill for them. I think nacre is the best player overall too
Plutorus> backarrow next?
ufotable> not done yet!
Plutorus> kk
ufotable> I'd also pick them as #1
ufotable> though I'm not sure who's active and who's not
ufotable> Does Jae even play anymore? I haven't seen Sika in months
Plutorus> yeah, activity is a big key for them
ufotable> Actives could just be Nacre, Sai, Mop, Dev and.... Seven/Penguin?
ufotable> If you count coming in and saying "U LIFF" to be activity
Plutorus> huge, I'd agree
ufotable> Worst case scenario
ufotable> lets say only Nacre, Sai, Dev and a random 4th are active this season
ufotable> are they still #1?
Plutorus> yes
Plutorus> unless that 4th is penguin every single game, or important games
ufotable> lol
ufotable> you know he can bench 1000000 lbs 40x
ufotable> don't underestimate
ufotable> they're #1 for me too, even in that worst case
Plutorus> bebebebebebeb
ufotable> ok, BackArrow?
ufotable> you're up first
Plutorus> ok, backarrow has lost a few key members lately, in savage and fedu
ufotable> That's right - I did see Sav hanging out with Llamas
ufotable> actually, he played against us this past week
ufotable> Fedu is so solid in all aspects and makes the right play more often than not
ufotable> big loss I agree
Plutorus> not only loss from talent standpoint, which it is, but activity as well; savage and fedu are both active
ufotable> Doesn't Sav kinda go in and out from an activity standpoint?
Plutorus> backarrow needs to recruit some people fast...or they are heavily reliant on a small core to show up every week
ufotable> BackArrow is definitely one of the more active practicing squads
ufotable> I see Tuna, Candy, Sabre, Plare, Arc, Jones, and Hook almost daily
ufotable> 7 solid actives I think is more than most squads can say - not sure I agree on the aggressive need to recruit
Plutorus> hmm, I havent seen Jones much.
ufotable> maybe not so much lately hmm
ufotable> so 6 actives
Plutorus> sabre and plare seem iffy to me, although both are solid. Hook is probably a bit too tentative to hang with a faster paced game right now
Plutorus> I see sabre and plare seldom, although they seem more active this week, agreed
ufotable> I think you touch on an important point
ufotable> The pace on those players vary wildly
Plutorus> yea
ufotable> Sabre does lag behind, not necessarily in terms of talent but in preferred pace
ufotable> Their potential top 4 of Tuna/Arc/Plare/Sabre (or Candy) varies so much in speed
Plutorus> its really true, I can see them having pacing issues
ufotable> and that probably doesn't hurt them against lower level opponents, but starting with Llama level its a problem
ufotable> That being said, significant veteran moxy on this squad
Plutorus> one worry I have with a particular key vet is Arctos - he looks bored to me
Plutorus> his top game is great, but does he care enough anymore?
ufotable> Good observation - he's not nearly as strong as I remember
ufotable> not even close
ufotable> I think that question is the key to their season, how much does he want it?
Plutorus> yeah agreed
Plutorus> he can help tuna carry if he's 100%
ufotable> I think they're only going to go as far as Tuna and Arc take them
ufotable> Both in their primes - this is a fearsome squad
Plutorus> definitely
Plutorus> ok, beastfu?
ufotable> the other thing I like about BA, no one dies for free
ufotable> they force you to beat them
ufotable> (or the bot to beat them)
ufotable> ok Beastfu
ufotable> Speaking to GT, these are a lot of RL friends of his from LoL
ufotable> with a couple of old faces like Unoid
ufotable> what are your thoughts?
Plutorus> I love that gold teeth started up a new squad for newer leaguers, but I worry they won't survive much longer.
ufotable> I know they no showed this past Sunday
ufotable> was it daylight savings or something else?
Plutorus> I think it was
ufotable> The roster is only 7 people so it's vital that everyone is active
ufotable> SS CRIPS showed us it can be done
Plutorus> Bukkwild!!!
ufotable> yes!
ufotable> ok
ufotable> quick aside
ufotable> can you name one other guy on CRIPS?
Plutorus> chronic and macksksksks
ufotable> damn
Plutorus> $
ufotable> I couldn't come up with anyone
nice callufotable> ok back to beastfu
ufotable> I love that they're a new squad as well and the learning curve is going to be steeper this season for the new guys
ufotable> .*steep
ufotable> hope they stick around all season
ufotable> and don't get too discouraged by the losing
ufotable> because the losses are coming
Plutorus> yeah, they are going to struggle winning a single game
ufotable> I've seen Rhino practicing a lot
ufotable> he can play and has potential
ufotable> Comb has played in league, GT has been around for ~15 years
ufotable> Unoid has been around
Plutorus> and then?
ufotable> cann is a pubber right?
ufotable> and I think I've seen spinning in pub?
Plutorus> not sure, only recently saw him enter the scene. he's eager (which goes a long way) but will struggle to last for 10+ minutes I think
Plutorus> gold teeth to be active, and they need to recruit more pilots now, today, tomorrow, immediately to pull this off. fill the roster
ufotable> I think I played a late night 2v2 with cann against Tom Petty and another pubber
ufotable> he has an offensive game, but survivability is an issue
ufotable> I agree
ufotable> we'll leave it off with that, they need 2 more active pilots
Plutorus> yea
Plutorus> btw, credit to gold teeth
ufotable> yes
ufotable> all credit to GT
Plutorus> league needed a squad like this, and he did it
ufotable> If even one of those new guys sticks
ufotable> he'll have done more for the game than most
Plutorus> yes
ufotable> Critical Mass
ufotable> You're up first as an ex-CM member
Plutorus> Haha, great squad with Three and Ozn leading the way. I really enjoyed flying with them, and I've got them ranked as my #2 team overall
ufotable> Whoa
ufotable> ahead of OUTLAWS (rebranded FTN)?
Plutorus> yep
ufotable> wow lets explore that for a second
ufotable> head to head, why do you think CM is better?
Plutorus> I'm not sure how active Kingnewbie is anymore
Plutorus> that would change the equation, but I havent seen him around
ufotable> He suffered an injury a couple months ago right?
Plutorus> yeah, he's recovering from an accident.
ufotable> That could be tough you're right
ufotable> If KN isn't active, I'd give the edge to CM as well
Plutorus> CM is going to be aggressive
Plutorus> I think three washes with bike
Plutorus> both in my top 5 players, btw
ufotable> I'd take 3 over bike because he plays a more important function within his team
ufotable> hard to find a true #1 pilot that will create and force the action
ufotable> .*harder
ufotable> vs. an elite elite finisher and support pilot
Plutorus> three definitely will force the action, yea
ufotable> Since you've been a slut and have been on both squads
Plutorus> they are both special players
ufotable> I won't press you on that =P
ufotable> you can be all middle of the road
Plutorus> haha no its ok
ufotable> Top 4 for CM?
Plutorus> I rate them about equally tbh, I think bike can force the action if needed
Plutorus> I think in his mind tactically, he doesnt feel the need to. But I've seem him take over games when necessary
ufotable> TVB's positioning is so strong as well, he's ALWAYS in the right place to make the play
ufotable> and he doesn't miss on chances
Plutorus> Top 4 for CM....three, ozn, antihuman and 7th/coarse/devious
ufotable> I agree, I would take 3, Ozn, 7th, and Antihuman
Plutorus> Jack is a favorite, I think he's a season or two removed from being a really big player
Plutorus> if he sticks around
ufotable> I haven't seen him in a couple months unfortunately
ufotable> He was #1 in TW right?
Plutorus> yea
Plutorus> he was around last month
Plutorus> alot
ufotable> hope he sticks and keeps practicing hard
ufotable> tremendous talent I agree
Plutorus> but last seen more than 10 days ago
Plutorus> maybe aliased
ufotable> I don't trust coarse or Devious in big games
ufotable> the talent is clearly there, but both have styles that don't feel solid to me
ufotable> especially in a give and take championship type game where each death matters
ufotable> I know you're friends with both so no comment is fine by you
Plutorus> im looking at outlaws roster
Plutorus> I might change my rankings by the end of this log lol
Plutorus> if KN is around, I'd clearly rank them higher
ufotable> We'll get another chance to discuss that when we hit OUTLAWS
ufotable> I'm also nervous if 3 tries to do too much
ufotable> years ago when he used to bang his head against Assassins/Intrepid season after season (mad respect for that)
ufotable> he received an unfair label of a choker because as talented as he is, he felt a need to make everything happen
ufotable> If he takes early deaths in a playoff game, CM could be in trouble
Plutorus> yes
Plutorus> three is definitely key for CM
ufotable> everyone else is repleacable for me other than 3
ufotable> ready to move on?>
Plutorus> ok, discombobulate next!
Plutorus> hardest team to .roster?
Plutorus> I can never spell it
ufotable> Clearly the .roster difficulty champs
ufotable> Solar has taken to calling them Disco Queens
Plutorus> I like disco boobs even better!
ufotable> oooh good call
ufotable> Ok so
ufotable> Who is Mclaren?
Plutorus> good question. Not sure, but he's solid
ufotable> dude can play
ufotable> but he needs to stay out of lanc
Plutorus> in our preseason game vs disco last sunday, they did a great job of using lanc and luring us to boxes
Plutorus> my team is a little too new to 4v4 to really understand how bad of an idea that was
ufotable> you mean bombs that bounce twice
ufotable> in enclosed spaces?
Plutorus> but time and again, they would trick us into heading down there
ufotable> ya that's a recipe for trouble
ufotable> Top 4?
Plutorus> mindriot is playing fantastic lately
ufotable> and how do you see them doing this season?
Plutorus> mindriot, mclaren, rickdog and HMMM
Plutorus> not sure who allelujah is
Plutorus> I think they will do well, rickdog is really improving
Plutorus> wahini is clearly the key
Plutorus> you?
ufotable> Wahini is old school
ufotable> I'd take MR, Mclaren, Pog, and Rick/Acid
ufotable> I agree, Mindriot has shown dimensions lately, especially in a spider, that I didn't expect
ufotable> he's absolutely key for his team
ufotable> When pushing or in a fairly even game, I think they're fine
ufotable> but no one on that roster is a strong team player to me and I worry for them in a game against an aggressive opponent
Plutorus> I think they have a shot against teams like backarrow and ego
ufotable> Hmmmm
ufotable> how much of a shot
Plutorus> providing mindriot continues to play at this level
ufotable> I would give them a puncher's chance
Plutorus> yeah, thats probably accurate
Plutorus> agreed
ufotable> by the way, am I crazy to think that BackArrow reminds me of Jon Fitch
Plutorus> Jon Fitch! One of my fav mma fighters
ufotable> mine too
Plutorus> I think he's the only MMA fighter I follow on twitter
ufotable> lol
Plutorus> and I LOVE that comparison
Plutorus> backarrow tries to wear you down
Plutorus> and win a decision
ufotable> yup
ufotable> they don't beat themselves, and keep grinding and grinding
ufotable> reminds of every Fitch match in existence
ufotable> ok back to Disco
ufotable> where do you see them finishing this season?
Plutorus> I see them battling it out with backarrow, ego, dropships, sfe
ufotable> They beat SFE convincingly in preseason round 1
Plutorus> you started Mfa :p but we'll get to that later
ufotable> MR lured us into what felt like 30 bad spots
Plutorus> they outmanaged us too last sunday, so maybe thats a strength for them. smart play
ufotable> I see them finishing below BA and EGO, neck and neck with Dropships
ufotable> ready to move on?
Plutorus> ya, dropships next. All you
ufotable> After Dropships I need to get back to work and we'll take this to a part 2 later
Plutorus> k
ufotable> ok Dropships
ufotable> interesting mix of Port Llast from last season
ufotable> and Alpha Reunion
ufotable> 4 captains on a squad with 10 people could be too much cooks in the kitchen
ufotable> Who is really the captain
ufotable> .*many not much
Plutorus> sven/nude
ufotable> I thought you were keeping out of this!
Plutorus> im not sure why I have captain lol
Plutorus> oops!
ufotable> lol
ufotable> Top 4 for me: Plut, Sven, Harm, suicidal dentist
ufotable> with Pryde as key sub
ufotable> any subs after that are going to have glaring holes in their game or in their experience
ufotable> and I'm not sure how active sui is
ufotable> he was always on and off for NW
ufotable> and I haven't seen him in a week or two
ufotable> With their top 5, I'd pick them to finish above Disco boobs
ufotable> but that is probably the most compelling matchup of the season
ufotable> (other than the 3 championship contenders of course)
ufotable> rep, Hall, light all have strong potential
ufotable> Light is an all arounder who needs more reps and dueling practice to sharpen up his game and ship control
ufotable> Rep has good aim and control, but he and Hall both suffer from sometimes playing like they're in a duelbox or 2v2 box
ufotable> and it's not the same game in 4v4
ufotable> I think Sven is going to explode this season
ufotable> the talent is there, he's driven as hell, and the improvement over the last 3 months has been exponential
Plutorus> he just exploded reading that line
ufotable>
Plutorus> oops! hi sven
ufotable> Not sure who Harm is, but I know he's there in pracs I play against his team
ufotable> he's a factor
ufotable> Plut is above average in every aspects and a brilliant team player - not many pilots I'd want either on LL or playing in a key game. He's going to make the right decision and be in the right place
ufotable> If the top pilots gel correctly and guys (SVEN) make the leap, I see them finishing above Disco and competing with BA and EGO.
ufotable> last thoughts plut before we close this log and take it to a part 2?
Plutorus> nope, great stuff. Later tonight?
ufotable> not sure, we'll figure it out
