Hallu, since you don't like to tell players about setting changes and refuse to answer questions in game I thought I would bring up the topic here so others could contribute...why is it that now when the population is low that all of the greens are concentrated in one small area? Where was the news.txt file to let players know of this change? Where is the forum post asking the players if they would want this type of change? Your unilateral changes to the game settings are less than desirable.



hallucination> ethy, your assertion that the zone sysops need your permission to test settings is absurd on the face of it. We'll announce any perm changes. It's obvious that settings are being tested now -- duh?



Man, this made me laugh. I never said you had to ask me or anyone else permission, all I said was tell the players what is going on and why, that's different than permission. And, waiting for players to notice changes is bad too, btw.

(not posting actual full links as there is a limit to the number per posts, so just add these to the end of a youtube web address to view (youtube web address + /watch?v= + link text below) )



EUTNZK_04zY <-- Master Of Chaos Aug 2010 (SSCXChaosZone)

OjzGD0UZHx8 <-- Master Of Chaos Oct 2010 (DannyEmbling)

ycyeohof6f4 <-- Master Of Chaos Dec 2010 (Okkeloon)



Pmrt9c-i8Us <-- Chaos Zombies Event (SSCXChaosZone)

jj-gCjMT3LA <-- Zombie Elimination Event (SSCXChaosZone)

9GzHQSGVkWc <-- Pro League Finals - The Dark v Outlaws (FieryFire3d)



d58bb_-6LfU <-- Laming In Chaos 2 (Okkeloon)

nEQnma2cyFw <-- Laming In Chaos 4 (Okkeloon)

bel8S6NPV-Q <-- Ethylene! Goes Pop! (SSCXChaosZone)

RZfzBV_MSRI <-- Money Sign (toolboxybrown)

VkdQQWUShWM <-- Big Bounty Hunted By Javs (bborg)

TesNlev_eQI <-- Subspace Continuum Chaos (MJB5989)

T8rsjgOVMik <-- Turret Jousting From The Early 2000s

xvTP6fkMzWs <-- Turret Jousting From The Early 2000s (slow-motion) (DannyEmbling)

AkYtvqOP6LY <-- StarGuitar gets the Blackers treatment (DannyEmbling)

8K7T-Ny4vCA <-- SubspaceChaos.com (fabien027)

Round 4 Results:

4/10 3:59 pm Assassins def Nguyens 10-5 log

4/10 3:52 pm Happy Mob def StarFire Elite 12-6 log

4/10 3:32 pm Llamas def LSF 12-3 log

4/10 3:08 pm The Dark def Sterling 12-9 log

4/10 3:02 pm !norating def Rebels 12-9 log



bushes and hedcase8 both went 3-0 with 5 FR.



Standings after Round 4:

1 The Dark 3-1 14 0.549

2 Sterling 3-1 11 0.514

3 Assassins 3-1 10 0.583

4 !norating 3-1 5 0.451

5 Nguyens 2-2 9 0.674

6 Llamas 2-2 5 0.486

7 Rebels 2-2 5 0.563

8 Happy Mob 1-3 -14 0.431

9 LSF 1-3 -17 0.375

10 StarFire Elite 0-4 -28 0.375



No coin was flipped to settle Rebels vs. Llamas debacle. I polled my friends who had no clue what it was about. Llamas won 2 to one.



The Dark vs. Assassins - 2nd, Ass up 1-0

Sterling vs. !norating

Nguyens vs. Llamas

Rebels vs. StarFire Elite - SFE cannot play LSF or HM by the rules.

Happy Mob vs. LSF



With less squads than rounds I think we'll get some interesting mismatches still :/

Fixed schedule next season? Hmm? Perhaps.







3pm:

Nguyens vs. Llamas

Rebels vs. StarFire Elite - SFE cannot play LSF or HM by the rules.



4pm:

Sterling vs. !norating

Happy Mob vs. LSF

The Dark vs. Assassins - 2nd, Ass up 1-0

This is an open thread to discuss thoughts about the 1998 SVS settings. A couple of days isn't long enough to really see the consequences of having them in, but it's enough to get a feeling about them.



When I first took over the zone, the first thing I did was go back to these SVS settings, and work from there. I am now tempted to do something similar and go back to the settings (including bot settings) I had when I left (in 2003-4) and go from there again (which were very close to SVS settings).



People have mentioned the amount greens -- thereby rediscovering why Chaos-Bot was originally built -- to dynamically change freqsizes and green settings specifically to help low population situations smoothly transfer to higher pops. Those numbers were juiced up quite a bit after I left -- I think they need reexamining.



The biggest thing I noticed was the 30 bty start + not 100% ?status + larger freqsizes. These factors have a huge impact on team play. When you spawn, everyone needs to green -- and you need your teammates to help you green quickly or you risk dying. This means that team play is much more important overall -- everyone helps everyone. I've thought for a long time that squad culture needs to be revived in whatever ways possible -- the critical importance of team greening has been a missing component that we used to have here. This point would argue against freqsizes ever being 1.



What did you all think?



--hallu

[color="#333333"][size="2"]Chaos Zone is bringing back the VIE days with *real* CD SVS settings this weekend. The original, overpowered, cloaking shark, 30 bty start, and more! It's a journey in the time machine back to 1998 when negs were NEGS!!! Well actually, not quite, but much more neg-like. Lots of players anticipating this -- should be fun!



Stop by and green up for old school Chaos action and experience what it was like to play Chaos in 1998! Settings in NOW!!



Also: Pro League Season 29 continues, and Warzone at 5pm ET Sunday! [/size][/color]

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[color="#333333"][size="2"]--hallu[/size][/color]

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[color="#333333"][size="2"]Edit: Feedback and discussion about the settings is of course welcome on this thread also.[/size][/color]

Looks like Priit is working on the biller, so scores, chats, bots are all down for now. You can play and lame about, but nothing counts toward the new reset. Hopefully he'll have it working soon, and the new reset will commence.



--hallu

Round 3 Results:

4/3 4:01 pm Rebels def Assassins 10-6 log

4/3 3:48 pm !norating def Happy Mob 12-6 log

4/3 3:35 pm The Dark def Llamas 12-5 log

4/3 3:04 pm Sterling def Nguyens 8-7 log

4/3 2:48 pm LSF def StarFire Elite 12-5 log



Dagger was 0-2 at 3-1, 13:27 into the game. Played for about 9 more minutes and was subbed by Sabrewolf, who went 1-0.

Macuto ended up with 4-2, 9 FR vs. Happy Mob. Surrey used his patented MOLO-style and was the LVP by 17:57.

TVB 1-2, 10 FR vs. Sterling. Enforcer 91k dealt in the same game, which Nguyens lost 7-8 in the OT after Kdak dodged 3 players and left with 41 energy while hitting/dodging bullets <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />

While Ass vs. Rebels + Nguyens vs. Sterling chat had some "oh snap lololol" moments, they were mostly discussion about old duelers or powerball.



LSF played most of their game with three players:

| silk igloo 1/ 2 0 0 0 1 5 0 0 2 33:52 | 57233/ 74606 43% | 39 21 | 1-2 | 3/7 | +3 480 997 |

| count fapula 6/ 1 0 0 1 3 3 0 0 18 33:52 | 75491/ 52696 58% | 35 20 | 1-2 | 8/5 | +36 538 1056 |

| Slippery Slide 4/ 1 0 0 2 2 7 0 0 1 33:52 | 86665/ 70889 55% | 56 16 | 1-2 | 5/7 | +26 530 946 |

| Furry Furnace 1/ 1 0 0 0 3 1 0 2 0 4:19 | 7497/ 5024 59%



Standings after Round 3:

1 Sterling 3-0 14 0.556

2 Nguyens 2-1 14 0.833

3 The Dark 2-1 11 0.389

4 Rebels 2-1 8 0.648

5 Assassins 2-1 5 0.481

6 !norating 2-1 2 0.407

7 Llamas 1-2 -4 0.463

8 LSF 1-2 -8 0.389

9 Happy Mob 0-3 -20 0.37

10 StarFire Elite 0-3 -22 0.463





Schedule:

3pm:

Sterling vs. The Dark

Rebels vs. !norating



4pm:

Nguyens vs. Assassins

Llamas vs. LSF

Happy Mob vs. StarFire Elite

How do you get someone, who is used to cutting edge - or at least recent - gaming technology, to like Subspace.



To get someone to go have a look, not to mention to play, come back, and repeat, is an immense achievement, very difficult.



Fellow Aussie fenrix got four mates to join once, was seen out east near the safes showing them all the ropes (telling them stuff through something like Teamspeak, I think). Of these, Soothsayer II came back for one or two more visits, then he disappeared.



Various folks here have been known to get their kids online to have a play. I know Blackers is one, but there seem to be a few here and there. Whether there are stayers amongst them, well, who can say.



Every now and then I've plugged the game on a major sporting forum (in Aust) and had zero luck. One guy said it looked like StarCon, that's all I got. ( link: http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/editpost.php?do=editpost&postid=20600925 )



Has anyone actually had some luck, said to a friend, you should try this! They've tried, and they've stayed?



'cause it usually feels like I'm on a hiding to nothing.

What do you think?



Question/Speculation: If this were changed without you being told, how long do you think it would take you to notice?

How long for _anyone_ to notice such a change?



--hallu

Mar 31st, 2011



MASTER of CHAOS this Saturday Apr 2nd at 5pm ET

BurstMonsta says he needs more crunchy things to crunch!

Everyone welcome to play!

Another big Jackpot game in Chaos immediately following!



Warzone Sunday 5pm ET - been getting great crowds recently!



Pro League season 29 is underway!



Small rules update on the website for those

that care about such things

[url="http://chaos.sscentral.com/?page=zonerules"]http://chaos.sscentr...?page=zonerules[/url]



--hallu