<div>                 ufotable> ok</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so we're at EGO?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> we are...but before we start, I have to make a shoutout to McLaren</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wtf</div>
<div>                 ufotable> did he tell you who he was</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> not yet, I didnt ask either</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> McLaren - Though shall not question his lancaster!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I don't know about giving him a shoutout then</div>
<div>                 ufotable> that's like me giving a shoutout to some dude at the gas station</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> True. Maybe I'll withhold the shoutout.</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> But you never know - first shoutouts, next sponsors</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> this thing could snowball</div>
<div>                 ufotable> hmmmmm</div>
<div>                 ufotable> good point</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok</div>
<div>
<div>                 ufotable> EGO?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> EGO!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wait</div>
<div>                 ufotable> why are they spelled in lowercase</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> understated return? perhaps its more mature, more elegant</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I like it</div>
<div>                 ufotable> the wine sipping version</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yes</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok go </div>
<div>                 ufotable> first thoughts?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> So their ideal starting core is pretty solid</div>
<div>                 ufotable> bhang captor pseudo fedu?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they recently added pempu</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> pempu played pretty well in aml finals last season</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Pempu naturally belongs on this squad</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Pempu and bhang top 5 laggy euros you don't want to gunduel?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> bhang obviously top shelf material</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> definitely</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok who are the other 3?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> storm is a vet, looked a bit inconsistent from what ive seen, but had some really nice pracs</div>
<div>                 ufotable> man</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I meant the laggy euro lineup</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I don't think I've seen mystic cloud or jaakko around, leading me to think they need another pilot or 2</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I probably agree with your 4</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'm going with Sika, bhang, pempu, Dagger, Miner</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and I know Miner isn't a euro</div>
<div>                 ufotable> It should be called the Sika all stars</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> oh yea, I'm not interested in gundueling any of those guys</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I totally derailed this</div>
<div>                 ufotable> who is Mystic Cloud?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> unknown</div>
<div>                 ufotable> That's not Cloud right?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> nah, cloud would just use Cloud</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wait</div>
<div>                 ufotable> am I crazy</div>
<div>                 ufotable> or in Shiner's gallery was Cloud in a hawaiian shirt</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> let me go look</div>
<div>                 ufotable> lol </div>
<div>                 Plutorus> this is important</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> http://web.archive.org/web/20011024185932/subspace.net/gallery/</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> no, he's got some kind of white polo thing happening</div>
<div>                 ufotable> damn totally missed on that one</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok ok</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so</div>
<div>                 ufotable> after Pempu this team could be in trouble?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they need like perfect attendance to have even 1 sub</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Have you seen Jaakko in the last 8 years?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> negative</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ego had pilo rostered for a little while too</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I remember when bodyhunt was on this lineup</div>
<div>                 ufotable> hmmmmm</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so</div>
<div>                 ufotable> factoring in the lack of depth</div>
<div>                 ufotable> where do you see them ending up?</div>
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<div>                 Plutorus> ive got them in my backarrow/ego/dropships/sfe zone</div>
<div>                 ufotable> that's quite a range you just mentioned</div>
<div>                 ufotable> top 4 vs. top 4</div>
<div>                 ufotable> them or BA?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> It's like Chris Leben vs. Jon Fitch</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> arc is killing me on this one</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> if arctos is enjoying the game, BA</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> you?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> man I don't know</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ok lets do it man vs man</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> bhang or tuna?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> (putting you on the spot lol)</div>
<div>                 ufotable> bhang</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> arc vs pseudo</div>
<div>                 ufotable> arc</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> captor vs plare</div>
<div>                 ufotable> captor</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> candy vs fedu</div>
<div>                 ufotable> fedu</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ok, you just picked EGO</div>
<div>                 ufotable> hmmm</div>
<div>                 ufotable> what do you think?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> im not playing that game! lol</div>
<div>                 ufotable> lol wtf</div>
<div>                 ufotable> it's so close</div>
<div>                 ufotable> candy vs. fedu</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> it is close, agreed </div>
<div>                 ufotable> captor vs. plare also a wash</div>
<div>                 ufotable> the depth is crucial though</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> what about the sub slot? Let's say pempu vs sabrewolf</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Jinxi over Pempu easily</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> man jinxi is pretty afk, I dunno</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'd take him right now over pempu</div>
<div>                 ufotable> he's probably asleep</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'd still take him</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> please send your complaints to ufotable@gmail.com</div>
<div>                 ufotable> When you've been captain of a championship level team</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> actually I have no idea if that is your real emial</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I don't think you ever lose that intellectual edge</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I do have a gmail account </div>
<div>                 Plutorus> So I saw bona (jinxi) praccing, and was surprised. He looked very rusty. My mental image of Jinxi didnt match what I saw</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok so</div>
<div>                 ufotable> right now</div>
<div>                 ufotable> your life on the line, two teams even</div>
<div>                 ufotable> sub coming in</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you'd take pempu over jinxi?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> too many factors</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> if I just need to save a slot, probably jinxi</div>
<div>                 ufotable> the only factor is your vagina </div>
<div>                 Plutorus> but if I need to get a kill?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> TUFF</div>
<div>                 ufotable> bah</div>
<div>                 ufotable> FINE</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so we think pretty highly of EGO</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yes</div>
<div>                 ufotable> any chance they can make a leap to the next class?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> top 4, can they challenge CM on a good day?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I dont think so</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they always have a shot, but CM has some killers</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I could see a 9-7 game</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Three, Ozn, Antihuman*, 7th (*edited real name - plut)</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> just so strong</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I fear for pseudo in that game</div>
<div>                 ufotable> also, for the 2 people that still didn't know Antihuman* was on CM (*moar edit - plut)</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you just outed him</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> omg</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> maybe I'll edit that</div>
<div>                 ufotable> lol</div>
<div>                 ufotable> alright lets move on before you get in more trouble!</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> good idea</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Llamas Next!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Llamas have changed the most of any squad over the last 5 years in my opinion</div>
<div>                 ufotable> from a heavy defensive minded, limiting mistakes team</div>
<div>                 ufotable> to a solid offensive team</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Only Wado and Street were on the team 5 years ago</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Top 4?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> gosh, is cfl hungry? probably not</div>
<div>                 ufotable> whoa</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I totally missed that</div>
<div>                 ufotable> when did they pick up cfl?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> he's back, baby! totally underrated pilot</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok so</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> however, my top 4 today would be ghostbuster17, savage, psyanide, and hed/pp/dagger</div>
<div>                 ufotable> do you think</div>
<div>                 ufotable> because of the family connection</div>
<div>                 ufotable> GB and Savage have a psychic connection?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> lol, my mind's eye likes to picture them sitting in the same room playing, barking coordinations and whatnot</div>
<div>                 ufotable> omg</div>
<div>                 ufotable> that would be out of control</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> full bunk-bed in the background</div>
<div>                 ufotable> except they'd have to do it with canadian accents</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> thats icing on the cake</div>
<div>                 ufotable> like, "great rep eh"</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok so</div>
<div>                 ufotable> am I crazy or</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Legacy > cfl > CFK</div>
<div>                 ufotable> similar playstyles</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> hmm ur crazy</div>
<div>                 ufotable> nuts</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I view CFK/PP/pez sort of the same</div>
<div>                 ufotable> oh totally disagree</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they kind of swoop in from strange angles and try to pick you off</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok ok we need to get back on topic</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'm looking for a top 4</div>
<div>                 ufotable> could this team be too deep?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> lots of parity, potential for playtime issues?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> GB, hed, twist, psy, cfl, PP, Sav, Dagger</div>
<div>                 ufotable> all have cases for starting</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yea</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'd go GB, Sav, Dagger, PP</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I like it</div>
<div>                 ufotable> good mix of playmaking, finishing, and teamplay</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> dagger is really tough</div>
<div>                 ufotable> totally agree</div>
<div>                 ufotable> all underrated team?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> with rage out of the picture, could he be the best spider in league?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> whoa</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you just went heavy with that one</div>
<div>                 ufotable> potentially yes</div>
<div>                 ufotable> It's past midnight and I can't mentally pull up other speiders</div>
<div>                 ufotable> .*spiders</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> barbarian</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> spring</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> uhhh</div>
<div>                 ufotable> MEDICUS</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> medicus!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> MEDI I HAVE NOT FORGOTTEN YOU</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Tuna was annoying for the 2 weeks he played spider</div>
<div>  4 players needed for a 4v4 practice in ?go 4v4squad1 -Izar</div>
<div>                 ufotable> as was Ozn</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> so I pracced against a very strong llamas team recently</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Mindriot seems to be playing spider</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> it was ghost, savage, psyanide, twista I believe</div>
<div>                 ufotable> tough lineup to beat</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> was VERY impressed, I think I had a decent team too</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> but they beat us up pretty easily</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Can't be understated</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Llamas prac a lot</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and it shows</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> oh yeah, mindriot for spider too</div>
<div>                 ufotable> other teams talk about teamwork and chemistry</div>
<div>                 ufotable> they actually have it</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yea</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> the problem is they cant get over the hump.</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Do they have a true #1 to elevate them?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> seems we're thinking the same thing</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> as Ozn pointed out, maybe ghostbuster17 can push them forward?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I think its up to him</div>
<div>                 ufotable> The others are all 100% known quantities at this point</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yea</div>
<div>                 ufotable> great players, but not ones that can take them to the next level</div>
<div>                 ufotable> GB I agree is their only hope</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> top they finish top 4?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Where do you see them against EGO or BA?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I think llamas win</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> or I should say, favored</div>
<div>                 ufotable> even though we could agree that EGO would have the best player on the map?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yes</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I'm a big tunahead fan too</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I was about to mention that</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Arc/Tuna</div>
<div>                 ufotable> BA would also have the best player</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> one nice advantage llamas have</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> is that they have some real duelers</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> savage and psyanide can both bang</div>
<div>                 ufotable> GB as well</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yes</div>
<div>                 ufotable> in a 3v3 or lower man game</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I do not want to face them</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> that gives them the confidence going into a match</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they arent going to fear you</div>
<div>                 ufotable> great point</div>
<div>                 ufotable> top 4 hmmm</div>
<div>                 ufotable> they'd need to finish above TD</div>
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<div>                 Plutorus> just finished this glass of wine, im ready to make this log more interesting</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I don't know if that's good or bad</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> time will tell! Ok, Outlaws?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> OUTLAWS</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you were on this team not long ago</div>
<div>                 ufotable> elephant in the room</div>
<div>                 ufotable> How active is KN?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> We also need to settle OUTLAWS vs. CM</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Prior to Part 1 of this chat log, KN was a bit MIA</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> since then, I've seen him around, resulting in me changing my rankings a bit  </div>
<div>                 ufotable> lol</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I see that our rankings are super thoughtful</div>
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<div>                 Plutorus> lol yes</div>
<div>                 ufotable> based on weeks/months/years of analysis</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and couldn't be swayed by 2 days of sample size</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and seeing a guy fly around</div>
<div>                 ufotable> excellent</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> So we just had preseason week 3 games</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> and Assassins seemed to need a non-team sub</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> to field 4? According to the logs anyway, I wasn't able to watch that match</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Assassins are like the Heat at this point</div>
<div>                 ufotable> why show up for regular season</div>
<div>                 ufotable> much less preseason</div>
<div>                 ufotable> they should draw straws to decide which 3 have to show for games in the regular season</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wait</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I've taken a closer look at Outlaws</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wait</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> waiting</div>
<div>                 ufotable> seriously?!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you're going there?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> who? what? where?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I thought your entire Assassins showing 3 thing</div>
<div>                 ufotable> was setting up for you saying that your completely arbitrary rankings now had OUTLAWS at #1</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> YES ITS TRUE</div>
<div>                 ufotable> OMG</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> OUTLAWS #1!!!! They are now perched at the top of my rankings. </div>
<div>                 ufotable> based on one preseason game</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and seeing KN at the 7-11</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you now have moved OUTLAWS from #3 to #1</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ufo, sometimes these things need to simmer until fully cooked</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ive got this figured out now</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you know</div>
<div>                 ufotable> aren't you vegan?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> If you simmer vegetables too long</div>
<div>                 ufotable> they just get soggy</div>
<div>                 ufotable> FINE</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> SO</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Outlaws now #1 per Plut</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I think they're my #2 team</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I've now got Outlaws 1, Assassins 2, CM 3</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> then llamas</div>
<div>                 ufotable> TD</div>
<div>                 ufotable> please direct green messages to Plutorus</div>
<div>                 ufotable> he also thinks your girlfriends are ugly</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> xoxo TD, you are The Darkhorse indeed at #5</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> nadai is one of my fav players</div>
<div>                 ufotable> WAit</div>
<div>                 ufotable> we'll get to them</div>
<div>                 ufotable> OUTLAWS</div>
<div>                 ufotable> top 4?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> KN Bike and?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> so outlaws added chronos, enforcer, krellin (is back), nine, danks</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so is chrono on outlaws or TD</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> dunno, he's on both rosters currently</div>
<div>                 ufotable> They lost 7th</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and Devious</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> my top 4 is bike, kn, legacy, krellin</div>
<div>                 ufotable> lets say, for sake of argument</div>
<div>                 ufotable> they do have rusty chrono</div>
<div>                 ufotable> stronger this season than last season?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> but their bench is super strong regardless of lineup...</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> id say stronger, yes</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> what do you think?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I don't see enf and chrono enough</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and 7th pracs every day</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I don't know if they added another starter necessarily</div>
<div>                 ufotable> but they certainly lost one</div>
<div>                 ufotable> If 7th is still on the team, isn't he the 4th over krellin in the top 4 you just listed?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they didnt have krellin last season. and suicidal pracs aside, he can play</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> dunno, I love the way krellin plays</div>
<div>                 ufotable> dude</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you've had too many big macs</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> haha</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> veggie macs maybe!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> that sounds disgusting</div>
<div>                 ufotable> that would be like 3 buns</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and beans</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> lol, slightly anecdotal, I once went through a burger king drive through, and there was a veggie big mac that my friend ordered</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Burger King doesn't have big macs </div>
<div>                 ufotable> are you actually american?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> it ended up being a regular big mac, minus the meat. just buns, ketchup, onions, pickles lol</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN</div>
<div>                 ufotable> FINE</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> im not a fast food expert</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Port Llast?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wait</div>
<div>                 ufotable> LOL</div>
<div>                 ufotable> was that your entire story?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ye</div>
<div>                 ufotable> oh man</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> and btw, I only tell AMAZING stories</div>
<div>                 ufotable> clearly</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I give up</div>
<div>                 ufotable> last thing on OUTLAWS</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I really like Leg when he's pushing</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I don't like him as much when he needs to go backwards</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> thats a great point, he's far less effective in reverse, agree</div>
<div>                 ufotable> against Assassins, I think that really hurt them in the championship</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and I wonder how that will go this season</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I cant argue</div>
<div>                 ufotable> against all be Assassins</div>
<div>                 ufotable> they'd be even odds at least to be mostly forward arrowing</div>
<div>                 ufotable> (All this is assuming KN is active, if not, all bets are off)</div>
<div>                 ufotable> but lets say they meet Assassins in the finals</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Do you still start KN, Bike, Leg, and Krel?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> vs nacre, saiyan, develop and mop?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> yes</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I'd have to think about it. Mop is a different player than three</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> damage would be reduced in that slot pretty significantly</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> good question</div>
<div>                 ufotable> What bout Sika or kdak in Mops slot?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I guess my point is, I don't know - I'd probably go with a lineup of KN, Bike, Enf, and Barb</div>
<div>                 ufotable> just something to think about... what if they establish chemistry all season with a certain 4/5</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and have to change tactics in the finals/semis</div>
<div>                 ufotable> of course they're deep enough to do it</div>
<div>                 ufotable> but that elite teamwork that is their great advantage could be hurt in the process</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ready to move on?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah, I think that covers outlaws, great team</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> oh wait</div>
<div>                 ufotable> agreed, amazing team</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I just want to mention hibachi. He has been afk lately, but I think a good captain is very important to a squad, and he's a good captain. Hi hibachi!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wtf</div>
<div>                 ufotable> we're not getting paid for this yet</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> was that a shoutout?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> or if you're getting paid</div>
<div>                 ufotable> you're not sharing</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Port Llast?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Port Llast!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> YEAH</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I can't help but notice immediately</div>
<div>                 ufotable> that this team was much stronger last season</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah, they lost a handful of key players</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> this squad has a different look and feel, and I do wish them the best</div>
<div>                 ufotable> A good thing is that almost everyone is active</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and practices regularly</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Seriel has improved greatly as a player over the last season+</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah seriel can be dangerous, and he's another guy I wouldnt want to gunduel</div>
<div>                 ufotable> My top 4 would be Seriel, HG, THC, and Tweeg</div>
<div>                 ufotable> with Gutter and Mega as first and second sub</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah, totally agree</div>
<div>                 ufotable> beyond weird that HG is on this roster</div>
<div>                 ufotable> did he get lost on the way to the bar?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> High Gain really is a legend of the league. He isn't in top form at the moment, but he's a key factor in how far Port Llast can go this season</div>
<div>                 ufotable> could not agree more</div>
<div>                 ufotable> their chances of elevation rest with him</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yep</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> the loss of pempu definitely hurts</div>
<div>                 ufotable> This roster could do with more of his X-factor kind of crazy</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah</div>
<div>                 ufotable> also</div>
<div>                 ufotable> shout out to Ninespike</div>
<div>                 ufotable> new player in league</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> NINESPIKE!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I hope he sticks with it</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> me too, he's fun to have around</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> if obesity can regain his old form, he could be a factor too</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> but right now he looks pretty rusty, I think he'd admit</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Obe was a mainstay of secret for a long time</div>
<div>                 ufotable> sorry</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Nightwatch</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I always thought he was solid</div>
<div>                 ufotable> but the rust is palpable at this point</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> he was on skyrakers too back in the day. Obe was one of the first people I really looked up to, during my nascent days in Chaos</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Storytime with Plutorus</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> see, more AMAZING stories lol</div>
<div>                 ufotable> at least that one wasn't a cliff hanger</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'm still waiting to find out what happened after your friend ordered the vege big mac</div>
<div>                 ufotable> OK</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so where do you think they finish?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Does Port Llast have a chance at repeating as AML champs?</div>
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<div>                 ufotable> If HG regains form they have a chance</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> no pressure HG!</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Ok, SFE?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> SFE!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'll be quiet for this one</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> So correct me if I'm wrong, but SFE is possibly the oldest active league squad?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Solar Hydro really needs to be commended for the job he's done, year after year with Starfire Elite</div>
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<div>                 Plutorus> imo, their current lineup is one of their best</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Shikaa, ufotable, and Something Dutch are a great threesome</div>
<div>                 ufotable> SFE has been around since '97</div>
<div>                 ufotable> continuously</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Amazing </div>
<div>                 Plutorus> My problem with SFE, and their recruiting agents, is that they were unable to add a 4th great starter to the squad, to really push them forward</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> When I look at the rest of the lineup, I don't see the 4th puzzle piece that would transform SFE into a *really* dangerous squad.</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> That being said, its a great group of the nicest people in subspace. </div>
<div>                 Plutorus> koach is a nice addition, I think he's a very nice prospect</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> medicus is probably my choice for the 4th starting slot, but he seems fairly afk</div>
<div>                 ufotable> unfortunately, I thought we were Erating champs</div>
<div>                 ufotable> but Nude for Satan has a lower erating than Solar </div>
<div>                 Plutorus> hehe</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> mfa often gets starts or important subs, but he doesn't prac much anymore</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> shikaa is one of my fav pilots, extremely solid play, and could probably play for any team he wanted</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ufotable a cornerstone of this squad, a very solid pilot that uses a very cerebral style of play to outwit his opponents. Always solid teamwork and positioning</div>
<div>                 ufotable> YES</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I feel so good about myslf</div>
<div>                 ufotable> .*myself even</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> something dutch can be a force. He really hassled me in the AML final game last season, peppering me with emps all match long. Can overextend a bit sometimes, but overall a solid pilot that can hurt you</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Allow myself to introduce...myself. I'm Austin Powers.</div>
<div>                 ufotable> wha</div>
<div>                 ufotable> where did that even come from</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'm so confused</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> SFE is a team I root for, and I think they can hang at a very high level; just wish they could add or groom that 4th starter so we could see them reach their full potential</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> The Dark?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> yes I can tag back in!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> TD</div>
<div>                 ufotable> TD, Plut may not like or respect you</div>
<div>                 ufotable> but I do!</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> lies, I love TD!</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Who is YELLOW HAMMER?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Everyone says its Jocker - I don't think so myself</div>
<div>                 ufotable> JOCKER is also on roster</div>
<div>                 ufotable> also</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Nebug = Benji?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> think so</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Any idea who swamp is?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> no, but swamp is good. Havent seen him in a long time though, unless he's aliased</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I agree</div>
<div>                 ufotable> swamp can play</div>
<div>                 ufotable> readers probably know who all these guys are</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and we're just too uncool</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> hah yea</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> top 4?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> everyone active, my top 4 would be chrono, blink, nadai, 9-Volt</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> thats a solid lineup</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> no monkk?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> or jocker?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> more realistically, it's probably blink, nadai, Benji, Monkk/JOCKER</div>
<div>                 ufotable> what do you think?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they added someone named EAT LEAD LAMER on Sunday</div>
<div>                 ufotable> clearly a new player from chaos</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> hehe</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> we should start a rumor</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> isn't that Dacrath?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I like how you prefaced that with "we should start a rumor"</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Dacrath is a good guess though</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah, flys just like him</div>
<div>                 ufotable> EAT LEAD LAMER is exactly the type of handle that fits his personality</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I think its him.</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Dacrath really swings the balance of power</div>
<div>                 ufotable> especially if he abuses his 10 year old powers</div>
<div>                 ufotable> top to bottom, they have a lot of strong talent</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Nadai, blink, 9-volt, monkk, hammer, Miner (hanging out with his 20 maid harem), JOCKER, chrono, swamp, benji, dozz, dacrath, foul, Kane</div>
<div>                 ufotable> everyone can play</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yes</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> no weak links</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> except inactivity</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> where is monkk lately?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Didn't 3 go on a drunken rampage against Monkk?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yeah, monkk came back for that verbal duel, then left again</div>
<div>                 ufotable> either way</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I blame Dacrath</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> clearly</div>
<div>                 ufotable> so who do you think for top 4?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> realistically</div>
<div>                 ufotable> out of guys who will play actively this season</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ok, monkk seems inactive and I think chronos is probably outlaws</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> and jocker is afk</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> or aliased</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> ill take nadai, blink, 9volt, benji</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they have a ton of questions though</div>
<div>                 ufotable> When was the last time 9volt played in a league game?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> this roster just confuses me</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I think 9v played a playoff game for TD last season?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I agree</div>
<div>                 ufotable> confusing roster</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> potentially could be VERY dangerous</div>
<div>                 ufotable> They could be contenders</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> but in a worst case scenario, I could see them having trouble fielding 4 too</div>
<div>                 ufotable> or the #5 seed</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Any chance they drop below 5?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> imo only due to inactivity</div>
<div>                 ufotable> yeah I have to agree</div>
<div>                 ufotable> bhang, captor, fedu, pseudo</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I hope Mog joins them </div>
<div>                 ufotable> against nadai, blink, 9, benji</div>
<div>                 ufotable> clear edge to TD</div>
<div>  1 player needed for a 4v4 practice in ?go 4v4squad1 -GhostBuster17</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> think so</div>
<div>                 ufotable> lol</div>
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<div>                 ufotable> If Mog joins them</div>
<div>                 ufotable> that just makes them more puzzling</div>
<div>                 ufotable> or rather</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> haha totally</div>
<div>                 ufotable> adds another inactive</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> they need POWER</div>
<div>                 ufotable> POWER</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> POWER</div>
<div>                 ufotable> seriously</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I don't think that's his only name</div>
<div>                 ufotable> also</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I'm fading quick, my wine has worn off</div>
<div>                 ufotable> How is it 1.22AM</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> lol I know</div>
<div>                 ufotable> who's idea was this?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> oh man</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Ok, any last thoughts on The Dark or this log before we wrap it up?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> Lets wrap up</div>
<div>                 ufotable> We'll be back to do playoff predicts later this season?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> do you want to pick a champ right now and one later?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Sure</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I'm going with Assassins</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> I'll take outlaws</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok we'll go out on this</div>
<div>                 ufotable> every season, one or more players change squads before roster lock</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and potentially swing the title</div>
<div>                 ufotable> we saw it last season</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> definitely</div>
<div>                 ufotable> who do you think could be that guy this season?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> again, I look at the nacre/saiyan combo</div>
<div>                 ufotable> which squad do you think they'd end up on?</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> if they have any issues fielding 4 each week, I could see them saying goodbye again</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> CM?</div>
<div>                 ufotable> I agree</div>
<div>                 ufotable> and CM is my pick too</div>
<div>                 ufotable> with TD as a distant second</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> yep, that was my other thought</div>
<div>                 ufotable> EAT LEAD LAMER is my pick</div>
<div>                 Plutorus> Hey, its hard to pick against Dacrath.</div>
<div>                 ufotable> to swing the title for Assassins</div>
<div>                 ufotable> ok, we're done </div>
<div>                 ufotable> good times</div>
<div>         </div>
</div>
 

I didn't want to derail Arctos' post more than I already did so I figured I would start my own. His thread is about people submitting maps - and I wanted to start one that talked about the format. (So we can have some segregation of discussion)

 

Some history:

 

-In 1999 trixter lobbied to change the league map and we all practiced on a different map for a bit. It didn't work, and people wouldn't accept it.

 

-In 2001 Sephiroso told the population to submit maps... guys like Arctos, hagetaga and Shuko all submitted maps. People practiced on them for a bit and people submitted their likes and dislikes. In the end it never ended up changing.

 

However, in the 2001 effort Operator suggested that league games rotate between two maps. One map being 'home' and one map being 'away'. Unfortunately, I think his suggestion was overlooked.

 

Here is the direct quote:

 

"<span style="font-family:Times;font-size:medium;">Look at the schedule, and make each team have an even amount of home and away matches...
</span>

<p style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;">In home matches, the squad captain, at the time of the game, can pick which map the game is played on.."


<p style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;"> 

<p style="font-family:Times;font-size:medium;">One of the maps could be the current league layout and the other can be a new one. OR we could take the current pro map and vertically flip it - so we have the same amount of structures and space but it still feels different. Additionally, if it was vertically flipped people could still anticipate things and know where they are but it takes an additional second or so to think about it.

<p style="font-family:Times;font-size:medium;"> 

<p style="font-family:Times;font-size:medium;">Thoughts?

<p style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;"> 

<p style="color:rgb(255,255,255);font-family:Times;font-size:medium;">001 effort Operator suggested that league games rotate between two maps. One map being 'home' and one map being 'away'.

I have no idea if matches are happening this Sunday or not. I figured I would take 90 seconds and create one using a random generator.

 

http://tournamentscheduler.net/schedule/OTgzNTc1NTM2

 

 

3PM Est.

 

Dropships - The Dark

Critical Mass - beastfu

discombobulate - Starfire Elite

 

4PM Est.

 

Assassins - Llamas

OUTLAWS - Backarrow

EGO - Port Llast    

 

If that link above still works it has the entire regular season laid out.

 

Shrug.

<div>3pm:</div>
<div>The Dark vs. Llamas -- 127720</div>
<div>EGO vs. Port Llast -- 127721</div>
<div>Outlaws vs. Discombobulate -- 127722</div>
<div> </div>
<div>4pm:</div>
<div>Assassins vs. Backarrow -- 127724</div>
<div>Critical Mass vs. StarFire Elite -- 127725</div>
<div>Beastfu vs. Dropships -- oops a re-match. -- 127726</div>
<div> </div>
<div> </div>
<div>EGO and Beastfu still need to find 1 player each with a visible erating to even be considered able to show. 4v4 council seems to be hard at work voting on the final Season 35 format.</div>

Squad predictions and analysis for season #whateverthisis. We were lazy so it's in chat form and it went a surprisingly long time so we had to take it to a Part 2 to come later. All controversial opinions are courtesy of Plut so please message him if you feel disrespected. Hope you enjoy:

 

 

    ufotable> ok

    ufotable> hmmm

    ufotable> is there a list of squads somewhere

    Plutorus> ok

    Plutorus> http://svssubspace.com/index.php?page=Rosters

    Plutorus> im gonna use that

    Plutorus> should be up to date for the active squads for the most part

    ufotable> Ok lets start with Assassins

    ufotable> Looks like much the same roster as last season minus 3 and Ozn

    Plutorus> and rage, but he's prob afk

    ufotable> oh good call

    ufotable> Rage Sai Nacre and Dev/Mop/Sika/Kdak will probably be fine from a teamwork standpoint

    ufotable> It's easier to be grouped and have teamwork when you're pushing the other team all over the map

    ufotable> as evidenced in the finals against FTN last season

    ufotable> even with the prac disparity

    ufotable> How do you think they'll do this season?

    Plutorus> three, ozn and bhang are all big losses, but as long as they have the nacre/saiyan pairing, they have the surrounding cast to take my #1 ranking

    ufotable> oh I forgot bhang went to EGO

    ufotable> did you actually do some prep for this and rank the squads? now I feel unprepared

    Plutorus> I think we're in a league where you really need 2 elites to win, and nacre/saiyan fits the bill for them. I think nacre is the best player overall too

    Plutorus> backarrow next?

    ufotable> not done yet!

    Plutorus> kk

    ufotable> I'd also pick them as #1

    ufotable> though I'm not sure who's active and who's not

    ufotable> Does Jae even play anymore? I haven't seen Sika in months

    Plutorus> yeah, activity is a big key for them

    ufotable> Actives could just be Nacre, Sai, Mop, Dev and.... Seven/Penguin?

    ufotable> If you count coming in and saying "U LIFF" to be activity

    Plutorus> huge, I'd agree

    ufotable> Worst case scenario

    ufotable> lets say only Nacre, Sai, Dev and a random 4th are active this season

    ufotable> are they still #1?

    Plutorus> yes

    Plutorus> unless that 4th is penguin every single game, or important games

    ufotable> lol

    ufotable> you know he can bench 1000000 lbs 40x

    ufotable> don't underestimate

    ufotable> they're #1 for me too, even in that worst case

    Plutorus> bebebebebebeb

    ufotable> ok, BackArrow?

    ufotable> you're up first

    Plutorus> ok, backarrow has lost a few key members lately, in savage and fedu

    ufotable> That's right - I did see Sav hanging out with Llamas

    ufotable> actually, he played against us this past week

    ufotable> Fedu is so solid in all aspects and makes the right play more often than not

    ufotable> big loss I agree

    Plutorus> not only loss from talent standpoint, which it is, but activity as well; savage and fedu are both active

    ufotable> Doesn't Sav kinda go in and out from an  activity standpoint?

    Plutorus> backarrow needs to recruit some people fast...or they are heavily reliant on a small core to show up every week

    ufotable> BackArrow is definitely one of the more active practicing squads

    ufotable> I see Tuna, Candy, Sabre, Plare, Arc, Jones, and Hook almost daily

    ufotable> 7 solid actives I think is more than most squads can say - not sure I agree on the aggressive need to recruit

    Plutorus> hmm, I havent seen Jones much.

    ufotable> maybe not so much lately hmm

    ufotable> so 6 actives

    Plutorus> sabre and plare seem iffy to me, although both are solid. Hook is probably a bit too tentative to hang with a faster paced game right now

    Plutorus> I see sabre and plare seldom, although they seem more active this week, agreed

    ufotable> I think you touch on an important point

    ufotable> The pace on those players vary wildly

    Plutorus> yea

    ufotable> Sabre does lag behind, not necessarily in terms of talent but in preferred pace

    ufotable> Their potential top 4 of Tuna/Arc/Plare/Sabre (or Candy) varies so much in speed

    Plutorus> its really true, I can see them having pacing issues

    ufotable> and that probably doesn't hurt them against lower level opponents, but starting with Llama level its a problem

    ufotable> That being said, significant veteran moxy on this squad

    Plutorus> one worry I have with a particular key vet is Arctos - he looks bored to me

    Plutorus> his top game is great, but does he care enough anymore?

    ufotable> Good observation - he's not nearly as strong as I remember

    ufotable> not even close

    ufotable> I think that question is the key to their season, how much does he want it?

    Plutorus> yeah agreed

    Plutorus> he can help tuna carry if he's 100%

    ufotable> I think they're only going to go as far as Tuna and Arc take them

    ufotable> Both in their primes - this is a fearsome squad

    Plutorus> definitely

    Plutorus> ok, beastfu?

    ufotable> the other thing I like about BA, no one dies for free

    ufotable> they force you to beat them

    ufotable> (or the bot to beat them)

    ufotable> ok Beastfu

    ufotable> Speaking to GT, these are a lot of RL friends of his from LoL

    ufotable> with a couple of old faces like Unoid

    ufotable> what are your thoughts?

    Plutorus> I love that gold teeth started up a new squad for newer leaguers, but I worry they won't survive much longer.

    ufotable> I know they no showed this past Sunday

    ufotable> was it daylight savings or something else?

    Plutorus> I think it was

    ufotable> The roster is only 7 people so it's vital that everyone is active

    ufotable> SS CRIPS showed us it can be done

    Plutorus> Bukkwild!!!

    ufotable> yes!

    ufotable> ok

    ufotable> quick aside

    ufotable> can you name one other guy on CRIPS?

    Plutorus> chronic and macksksksks

    ufotable> damn

    Plutorus> $

    ufotable> I couldn't come up with anyone nice call

    ufotable> ok back to beastfu

    ufotable> I love that they're a new squad as well and the learning curve is going to be steeper this season for the new guys

    ufotable> .*steep

    ufotable> hope they stick around all season

    ufotable> and don't get too discouraged by the losing

    ufotable> because the losses are coming

    Plutorus> yeah, they are going to struggle winning a single game

    ufotable> I've seen Rhino practicing a lot

    ufotable> he can play and has potential

    ufotable> Comb has played in league, GT has been around for ~15 years

    ufotable> Unoid has been around

    Plutorus> and then?

    ufotable> cann is a pubber right?

    ufotable> and I think I've seen spinning in pub?

    Plutorus> not sure, only recently saw him enter the scene. he's eager (which goes a long way) but will struggle to last for 10+ minutes I think

    Plutorus> gold teeth to be active, and they need to recruit more pilots now, today, tomorrow, immediately to pull this off. fill the roster

    ufotable> I think I played a late night 2v2 with cann against Tom Petty and another pubber

    ufotable> he has an offensive game, but survivability is an issue

    ufotable> I agree

    ufotable> we'll leave it off with that, they need 2 more active pilots

    Plutorus> yea

    Plutorus> btw, credit to gold teeth

    ufotable> yes

    ufotable> all credit to GT

    Plutorus> league needed a squad like this, and he did it

    ufotable> If even one of those new guys sticks

    ufotable> he'll have done more for the game than most

    Plutorus> yes

    ufotable> Critical Mass

    ufotable> You're up first as an ex-CM member

    Plutorus> Haha, great squad with Three and Ozn leading the way. I really enjoyed flying with them, and I've got them ranked as my #2 team overall

    ufotable> Whoa

    ufotable> ahead of OUTLAWS (rebranded FTN)?

    Plutorus> yep

    ufotable> wow lets explore that for a second

    ufotable> head to head, why do you think CM is better?

    Plutorus> I'm not sure how active Kingnewbie is anymore

    Plutorus> that would change the equation, but I havent seen him around

    ufotable> He suffered an injury a couple months ago right?

    Plutorus> yeah, he's recovering from an accident.

    ufotable> That could be tough you're right

    ufotable> If KN isn't active, I'd give the edge to CM as well

    Plutorus> CM is going to be aggressive

    Plutorus> I think three washes with bike

    Plutorus> both in my top 5 players, btw

    ufotable> I'd take 3 over bike because he plays a more important function within his team

    ufotable> hard to find a true #1 pilot that will create and force the action

    ufotable> .*harder

    ufotable> vs. an elite elite finisher and support pilot

    Plutorus> three definitely will force the action, yea

    ufotable> Since you've been a slut and have been on both squads

    Plutorus> they are both special players

    ufotable> I won't press you on that =P

    ufotable> you can be all middle of the road

    Plutorus> haha no its ok

    ufotable> Top 4 for CM?

    Plutorus> I rate them about equally tbh, I think bike can force the action if needed

    Plutorus> I think in his mind tactically, he doesnt feel the need to. But I've seem him take over games when necessary

    ufotable> TVB's positioning is so strong as well, he's ALWAYS in the right place to make the play

    ufotable> and he doesn't miss on chances

    Plutorus> Top 4 for CM....three, ozn, antihuman and 7th/coarse/devious

    ufotable> I agree, I would take 3, Ozn, 7th, and Antihuman

    Plutorus> Jack is a favorite, I think he's a season or two removed from being a really big player

    Plutorus> if he sticks around

    ufotable> I haven't seen him in a couple months unfortunately

    ufotable> He was #1 in TW right?

    Plutorus> yea

    Plutorus> he was around last month

    Plutorus> alot

    ufotable> hope he sticks and keeps practicing hard

    ufotable> tremendous talent I agree

    Plutorus> but last seen more than 10 days ago

    Plutorus> maybe aliased

    ufotable> I don't trust coarse or Devious in big games

    ufotable> the talent is clearly there, but both have styles that don't feel solid to me

    ufotable> especially in a give and take championship type game where each death matters

    ufotable> I know you're friends with both so no comment is fine by you

    Plutorus> im looking at outlaws roster

    Plutorus> I might change my rankings by the end of this log lol

    Plutorus> if KN is around, I'd clearly rank them higher

    ufotable> We'll get another chance to discuss that when we hit OUTLAWS

    ufotable> I'm also nervous if 3 tries to do too much

    ufotable> years ago when he used to bang his head against Assassins/Intrepid season after season (mad respect for that)

    ufotable> he received an unfair label of a choker because as talented as he is, he felt a need to make everything happen

    ufotable> If he takes early deaths in a playoff game, CM could be in trouble

    Plutorus> yes

    Plutorus> three is definitely key for CM

    ufotable> everyone else is repleacable for me other than 3

    ufotable> ready to move on?>

    Plutorus> ok, discombobulate next!

    Plutorus> hardest team to .roster?

    Plutorus> I can never spell it

    ufotable> Clearly the .roster difficulty champs

    ufotable> Solar has taken to calling them Disco Queens

    Plutorus> I like disco boobs even better!

    ufotable> oooh good call

    ufotable> Ok so

    ufotable> Who is Mclaren?

    Plutorus> good question. Not sure, but he's solid

    ufotable> dude can play

    ufotable> but he needs to stay out of lanc

    Plutorus> in our preseason game vs disco last sunday, they did a great job of using lanc and luring us to boxes

    Plutorus> my team is a little too new to 4v4 to really understand how bad of an idea that was

    ufotable> you mean bombs that bounce twice

    ufotable> in enclosed spaces?

    Plutorus> but time and again, they would trick us into heading down there

    ufotable> ya that's a recipe for trouble

    ufotable> Top 4?

    Plutorus> mindriot is playing fantastic lately

    ufotable> and how do you see them doing this season?

    Plutorus> mindriot, mclaren, rickdog and HMMM

    Plutorus> not sure who allelujah is

    Plutorus> I think they will do well, rickdog is really improving

    Plutorus> wahini is clearly the key

    Plutorus> you?

    ufotable> Wahini is old school

    ufotable> I'd take MR, Mclaren, Pog, and Rick/Acid

    ufotable> I agree, Mindriot has shown dimensions lately, especially in a spider, that I didn't expect

    ufotable> he's absolutely key for his team

    ufotable> When pushing or in a fairly even game, I think they're fine

    ufotable> but no one on that roster is a strong team player to me and I worry for them in a game against an aggressive opponent

    Plutorus> I think they have a shot against teams like backarrow and ego

    ufotable> Hmmmm

    ufotable> how much of a shot

    Plutorus> providing mindriot continues to play at this level

    ufotable> I would give them a puncher's chance

    Plutorus> yeah, thats probably accurate

    Plutorus> agreed

    ufotable> by the way, am I crazy to think that BackArrow reminds me of Jon Fitch

    Plutorus> Jon Fitch! One of my fav mma fighters

    ufotable> mine too

    Plutorus> I think he's the only MMA fighter I follow on twitter

    ufotable> lol

    Plutorus> and I LOVE that comparison

    Plutorus> backarrow tries to wear you down

    Plutorus> and win a decision

    ufotable> yup

    ufotable> they don't beat themselves, and keep grinding and grinding

    ufotable> reminds of every Fitch match in existence

    ufotable> ok back to Disco

    ufotable> where do you see them finishing this season?

    Plutorus> I see them battling it out with backarrow, ego, dropships, sfe

    ufotable> They beat SFE convincingly in preseason round 1

    Plutorus> you started Mfa :p but we'll get to that later

    ufotable> MR lured us into what felt like 30 bad spots

    Plutorus> they outmanaged us too last sunday, so maybe thats a strength for them. smart play

    ufotable> I see them finishing below BA and EGO, neck and neck with Dropships

    ufotable> ready to move on?

    Plutorus> ya, dropships next. All you

    ufotable> After Dropships I need to get back to work and we'll take this to a part 2 later

    Plutorus> k

    ufotable> ok Dropships

    ufotable> interesting mix of Port Llast from last season

    ufotable> and Alpha Reunion

    ufotable> 4 captains on a squad with 10 people could be too much cooks in the kitchen

    ufotable> Who is really the captain

    ufotable> .*many not much

    Plutorus> sven/nude

    ufotable> I thought you were keeping out of this!

    Plutorus> im not sure why I have captain lol

    Plutorus> oops!

    ufotable> lol

    ufotable> Top 4 for me: Plut, Sven, Harm, suicidal dentist

    ufotable> with Pryde as key sub

    ufotable> any subs after that are going to have glaring holes in their game or in their experience

    ufotable> and I'm not sure how active sui is

    ufotable> he was always on and off for NW

    ufotable> and I haven't seen him in a week or two

    ufotable> With their top 5, I'd pick them to finish above Disco boobs

    ufotable> but that is probably the most compelling matchup of the season

    ufotable> (other than the 3 championship contenders of course)

    ufotable> rep, Hall, light all have strong potential

    ufotable> Light is an all arounder who needs more reps and dueling practice to sharpen up his game and ship control

    ufotable> Rep has good aim and control, but he and Hall both suffer from sometimes playing like they're in a duelbox or 2v2 box

    ufotable> and it's not the same game in 4v4

    ufotable> I think Sven is going to explode this season

    ufotable> the talent is there, he's driven as hell, and the improvement over the last 3 months has been exponential

    Plutorus> he just exploded reading that line

    ufotable>

    Plutorus> oops! hi sven

    ufotable> Not sure who Harm is, but I know he's there in pracs I play against his team

    ufotable> he's a factor

    ufotable> Plut is above average in every aspects and a brilliant team player - not many pilots I'd want either on LL or playing in a key game. He's going to make the right decision and be in the right place

    ufotable> If the top pilots gel correctly and guys (SVEN) make the leap, I see them finishing above Disco and competing with BA and EGO.

    ufotable> last thoughts plut before we close this log and take it to a part 2?

    Plutorus> nope, great stuff. Later tonight?

    ufotable> not sure, we'll figure it out

 

Since the only squad evaluation posted for this season was by a troll I figured I would post one. Hopefully this will spark other's interest to do the same. (Post for real, not troll)

 

Alphabetically:

 

Assassins


 

Looks like Assassins will be joining in this season after all. There is still a question of activity vs inactivity but they should still be able to field a solid 4. I suspect we will see mediocre interest in regular season and more interest/activity as the season nears playoffs. Dev and saiyan are the most active players but showing on Sundays is more important than regular week activity. Look for Nacre, Mop and kdak to show for some random sundays and help bring wins in. Sika seems to have disappeared so jury is still out on him.

 

Ideal Lineup: develop, saiyan, nacre and Mop

Full Sub: Kdak for whoever

 

Backarrow


 

Returning for a second season is a team captained by Arctos and mis-managed by Candyman. Backarrow has a commendable amount of activity, with Pracplane in full effect and euro pracs taking place on the daily. This team has some good individual players but relies heavily on Tunahead being on his A-game and Candyman staying in spec. I suspect this team will do pretty decent in playoffs - with some possible upsets. However, this all hinges on Arctos calling the shots and Candyman keeping his trap shut.

 

Ideal Lineup: Arctos, Tunahead, Plarep, Sabrewolf

Full Sub: Savage for Sabrewolf

 

beastfu


 

Teams like this spawn up every season, with sometimes good results....but not in the realm of winning. Usually they lose the first 3-4 matches they play then no-show. However, every once in a while a new guy is recruited to a team like this and becomes active in league...gets pretty good then transitions to a more stable team. That's the only hope I have for this team.

 

Ideal Lineup: Any

Full Sub: Any

 

discombobulate


 

Newly formed team for this season. I think they can do pretty well. Roster needs a little cleaning of dead weight though (wahini, frowzy). I don't know who McLaren is but he's doing pretty decent lately. RICKDAWGGGGG has had pretty exponential skill growth as well - that's been cool to see. Overall I think that if this team can level out and learn to play well together they can upset some people.

 

Ideal Lineup: Mindriot, McLaren, Joe Jr, Acidfreak

Full Sub: Pog maybe?

 

Dropships


 

Another newly formed team for this season which has bits of Port Llast and Alpha Reunion. The activity is questionable though, some of these guys come on for short stretches of time then disappear. I see this team battling discombobulate in a decent match. Their squad practices have gone ok, with mixed results. They will need a bit more offense though, Mighty Sven habitually backlobbing puts a wrench in any team's momentum.

 

Ideal Lineup: Plutorus, Harmchief, Mighty Sven, Pryde

Full Sub: replika maybe?

 

Ego


 

Jury is still out on Ego. bhang wasn't able to show up and they got crushed by Backarrow in the pre-season opener. They're definitely in need of recruits and could be deadly if they picked up one or two solid guys. If they can get more people they will be competing with Llamas for a semi-finals spot.

 

Ideal Lineup: bhang, pseudo, fedu and captor

Full Sub: Whoever

 

Llamas


 

This squad has always been a favorite of mine. I think it's because on any given Sunday they can upsets a good team. The only thing they're missing is one or two upper echelon players. Don't get me wrong, they have a lot of good players but they're all at about the same level. They're in need of a current player or a new player who can create opportunities and openings without flying out of control. I believe they're counting on this person to be Ghostbuster but he's either super rusty or lost his spark.

 

Ideal Lineup: Ghostbuster17, Nine, Psyanide, twista

Full Sub: Dagger, PP or CFK

 

Outlaws


 

So this is FTNguyen renamed but with a hint of stackage. With the addition of chrono and enforcer it's become clear that these guys didn't like losing last season. I think everyone knows the story here: Caer and Crescendo should stay in spec, Legacy tilts after early deaths, etc etc. Look for this team to be in the finals or knocked out in a close semi-final match. Oh yeah, and chrono is double-squadding.

 

Ideal Lineup: Village, King, chrono, legacy

Full Sub: eric clapton for legacy after first early death

 

StarFire Elite


 

I think we all know this story.

 

Ideal Lineup: Shikaa, Something Dutch, unfotable, mfa

Full Sub: scubie

 

The Dark


 

This team returns but took a page from Outlaws' book and added 9-volt to bring on the stackage. 3 guys from the Flawless starting lineup and 4 guys from The Dark starting lineup. GG. We shall see if they all remain active but this is another team that could get eliminated in the semi-finals or make it to finals. Oh yeah, and trouser ferret (chrono) is double-squadding.

 

Ideal Lineup: Da Douche, Blink, benji, trouser ferret

Full Sub: Jocker or Nadai

IDEA / suggestion for upcoming playoffs TOP #8 TEAMS:

 

(3 weeks of playoffs, 2 games/ sunday) 6 games /team -

 

#1 regular season team comes to playoffs with biggest point (say 32?)

#2 comes to playoffs with 24 points

#3 ....

#8 ... comes to playoffs with lowest points, but gets to choose their opponent first.

 

"Teams challenge themselve - Lower ranked team get to challenge and pick a opponent from themselves. Both teams points are put to play and winner gets half from the sum, which adds to their team points for the next round."

 

When 3 weeks have been played, we check which 2 teams have highest points and those teams play for the CHAMPIONSHIP.

Allow max of 2 times / teams to face on playoffs .If a #8 picks #1 2 times, and wins both, they raise on playoffs rankings VERY BIG!

 

Best of 3 FINALS,

 

The idea of this is to get as much playing to everysquad as possible, until the end. Maybe let those 3-8 ranked play for the 3-4 5-6 and 7-8 places out, based on final points (#3 vs #4 team with points, #4 vs #5...)

 

good/bad? This system would need to check good before implementing to league. iex. starting points of playoffs team based on # ranking.

<div>Dropships = Flying Doctors, NFS has captain on dropships so he can move players over.</div>
<div>The 4v4 council thingy seems to be somewhat alive and discussing season format. Also council rule changes.</div>
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<div>3pm:</div>
<div>Port Llast vs. Beastfu -- 127263</div>
<div>Discombobulate vs. Dropships -- 127264</div>
<div>Backarrow vs. Critical Mass -- 127265</div>
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<div>4pm:</div>
<div>The Dark vs. EGO -- 127266</div>
<div>Outlaws vs. Assassins -- 127267</div>
<div>StarFire Elite vs. Llamas -- 127268</div>

hi everyone. didn't even realize this forum was even running... haven't checked back in so long.

i come in to chaos now and again 

just came back to say hi.