Ok, so I understand the idea is that if the zone appears more populated people will come. However, if they come based on population and see all the players are in EG:0 don't you think they will go to EG:0? I don't see how this is supposed to help the zone in any way.

Standings after Round 7 of 11:

1 Nguyens 7-0 42

2 Team KN 5-1 43 -- added one from !norating

3 Assassins 5-2 27

4 Llamas 5-2 23

5 Sterling 4-3 29

6 Rebels 3-4 1

7 The Dark 4-3 9

8 Die Antwoord 3-4 -8

9 team maimer 2-5 -27

10 !norating 2-5 -39

11 StarFire Elite 1-6 -36

12 Mineshack 0-3 -22

13 BYE Round 0-4 -36



Manually added K/Ds since the bot situation is what it is. Still did not add in the missing kills from Mineshack 12-0s.



Nguyens had a BYE.

Team KN defeat SFE 12-0. Hoarmurath got the most FR with 8. SFE got 2 FR total.

Assassins and Rebels played a pretty standard 12-7, Masterlord only got 5 FR in that one. Saiyan got 8, though.

Llamas steamrolled team maimer 12-2, 11th was out in 12:01 with a hefty 5 WR. Either he was trying to get team maimer out of pro playoffs, or as he claims, was watching football.

And Sterling barely beat !norating 12-0, with !norating no-showing.



3pm:

Rebels vs. !norating

Assassins vs. Team Maimer

Team KN vs. BYE Round



4pm:

Llamas vs. The Dark

Nguyens vs. Die Antwoord

Sterling vs. StarFire Elite

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Well, round 7 has now been postponed twice.

This sucks for league, for many reasons.

We'll try again this weekend (yes, I know it's halloween, yes I know DST ends in Finland so if we do have bots I'll call games at the wrong time)



The short list of reasons why games cannot be played on the temp bots you sometimes see:

1) We cannot properly have them check rosters -> Partsi could !sub

2) We cannot get them to use match rules -> Subs would work like they do in pracs, time would be 30 minutes, etc.



Now, I know hallu has been keeping an eye on options on hosting, but we'll see. In the meanwhile, happy halloween to those of you who celebrate it, and I hope to see you in 4v4 ships.

Standings after Round 6:

1 Nguyens 6-0 37 0.524

2 Team KN 5-1 30 0.597

3 Assassins 4-2 22 0.579

4 Llamas 4-2 13 0.522

5 Sterling 3-3 17 0.544

6 Rebels 3-3 6 0.614

7 The Dark 3-3 3 0.572

8 Die Antwoord 3-3 -2 0.477

9 team maimer 2-4 -17 0.462

10 !norating 2-4 -27 0.597

11 StarFire Elite 1-5 -24 0.492

12 Mineshack 0-3 -22 0.412

13 BYE Round 0-3 -36 0.342



Apart from the missing kills for Mineshack 12-0 conversions, Team KN has +1 from !norating last night, where Psycho Psematic specced. The death was set, but the score was not.



Results from Round 6 of 11:

10/9 4:02 pm Nguyens def The Dark 8-6 log

10/9 3:48 pm Rebels def Llamas 12-7 log

10/9 3:39 pm Assassins def Sterling 12-5 log

10/9 2:37 pm Die Antwoord def team maimer 12-9 log

10/9 2:29 pm Team KN def !norating 11-2 log

10/9 2:02 pm StarFire Elite def BYE Round 12-0 log



Nguyens vs. TD was played with less than optimal line-ups for both squads. Da Monkk also felt like throwing us a bone and lagged his first ship to all zeros. Caerbannog (hey that's me) stole that stats 4-1 3FR, +20, superclutch useless nail in the coffin rep assisted kill on blink. TVB almost got to 100k damage (95k).

Rebels beat Llamas 12-7, cfl lagged out three times, Perceptor lagged out once and was subbed once or so. The stats are rather evenly spread, Uni did get 6FR.

Kdak's lagged wireless lead Stearling into a convincing loss vs. Assassins. Kdak's euro-screenview of guessing what's going to happen next got him 0-3 with 4WR in 12:22. Mop finished 5-1 and 5FR and probably played for more than 15 minutes for the first time this season.

Die Antwoord continued on their Candymanless winning streak in a draft v draft game vs. Team Maimer. Arctos was 0-3 in 10 mins, some time after that Barbarian subbed in and Die Antwoord started their comeback, all in all, loose sloppy play as is to be expected. Very different from the other match I was involved on this day, although I only saw the 3v3 end of this game.

Team KN beat !norating, resulting in interesting rants by PP for the following 3 hours. Hoarmurath played for 11 minutes, but got all of his 3 kills within 45 seconds. Including killing el father twice (OUT!) by 5-1 total. Always Mind ended up with 4-0 2FR.



Round 7 schedule, the games are really starting to count in getting a pro playoffs spot now. 4 squads at 3-3 at the moment, with lots of



3pm:

Llamas vs. Team Maimer -- 103330

The Dark vs. Die Antwoord-- 103331

Team KN vs. StarFire Elite-- 103332



4pm:

Sterling vs. !norating-- 103333

Assassins vs. Rebels-- 103334

Nguyens vs. BYE Round-- 103335

Ok the roster lock for players on squads was yesterday.

The only players eligible to join squads now are players without a squad from the start (0 playtime), or players from Mineshack currently not on a squad.



The only squads with room to add players are:

Nguyens 13/14 and Rebels 13/14



Other than that, the Final rosters excluding Draft teams -- place your bets.:



!norating Roster

Name Captain Erat

Macuto 1331

sixthCaptain 1323

cash flow kingCaptain 1284

el father 1261

Wraith 1203

dethknel 1150

leftyloosey 1144

Nightwasp 1050

THC 1043

Portola 1012

fedu 989

Psycho Psematic 955

Supreme 925

2 888

Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1218



Assassins Roster

Name Captain Erat

MopCaptain 2019

saiyan 1885

Dingo 1653

Sika 1608

Enforcer 1574

Three 1567

ossi 1543

9-VoltCaptain 1520

brut 1455

DevelopCaptain 1346

Teddy 1257

bhang 1239

arc 1176

NeoCaptain 1003

Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1671



Llamas Roster

Name Captain Erat

Bushes 1493

JOCKER 1470

cfl 1348

hedcase8 1316

Psyanide 1298

Pension 1291

Preator 1252

Street FighterCaptain 1225

Aramen 1152

Horse 1111

fresh 1085

Uni 1077

CicadaCaptain 956

Wado Kai 594

Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1337



Nguyens Roster

Name Captain Erat

The Village Bike 1934

Caerbannog 1823

KneWWinCaptain 1587

realdeal 1319

7th 1234

GRAMPS 1135

DarkDenizen 1091

Evol Ways 1053

mitf 1053

the seven year itch 1044

egg roll 1017

danks 1007

NeWWiNCaptain 973

Total: 13 Top 8 Erat: 1397



Rebels Roster

Name Captain Erat

Dagger 1584

MasterlordCaptain 1488

gato 1328

Riverside 1212

Eric Clapton 1139

RaCaptain 1124

Pog 1068

Tidal 1064

Actress 1059

Sabrewolf 1015

IcemanCaptain 987

Lord Lincke 919

Death Artist 915

Total: 13 Top 8 Erat: 1251



StarFire Elite Roster

Name Captain Erat

Pehkle 1525

FoxTrot 1147

Something DutchCaptain 1132

Rei 1129

scubie 1079

G o G o 1002

MfACaptain 997

Mauler 990

Plutorus 967

INRI 953

r 947

Jones 865

Ankh 802

Solar HydroCaptain 433

Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1125





Sterling Roster

Name Captain Erat

Seismic 1604

Damnatus 1553

babaloo 1503

Rage 1472

mAImERCaptain 1429

ToolCaptain 1426

elmo 1326

KdakCaptain 1325

Primos 1325

mr. penguin 1262

Nine 1252

varsity 1180

Jaku 1074

John Digweed 1019

Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1455



The Dark Roster

Name Captain Erat

Da MonkkCaptain 1970

Blink 1649

Chrono 1432

Devil's Dad 1419

Benji 1370

Captor 1351

Crayzee 1281

NadaI 1262

Korean 1240

Legacy 1233

dblu 1231

Storm 1063

ZepCaptain 1012

Valheru 732

Total: 14 Top 8 Erat: 1467

You have until Saturday to remove players from your roster and move between squads. People without a squad can join a squad up to Round 9, but no one will be removed to make room for them.



Standings after Round 5:

1 Nguyens 5-0 35 0.481

2 Team KN 4-1 21 0.653

3 Llamas 4-1 18 0.528

4 Sterling 3-2 24 0.606

5 Assassins 3-2 15 0.549

6 The Dark 3-2 5 0.522

7 Rebels 2-3 1 0.576

8 Die Antwoord 2-3 -5 0.492

9 team maimer 2-3 -14 0.465

10 !norating 2-3 -18 0.535

11 Mineshack 0-3 -22 0.395

12 BYE Round 0-2 -24 0.436

13 StarFire Elite 0-5 -36 0.533



Results from Round 5 of 11:

10/2 3:48 pm Nguyens def team maimer 12-3 log

10/2 3:42 pm Rebels def The Dark 12-5 log

10/2 2:53 pm Llamas def Sterling 12-7 log

10/2 2:52 pm !norating def StarFire Elite 12-8 log

10/2 2:51 pm Team KN def Assassins 12-5 log

10/2 2:12 pm Die Antwoord def BYE Round 12-0 log



Mindriot's hard 0-3 practice in a lancaster paid off when he died out first for team maimer in their game vs. Nguyens. He did lob a random kill though (I dodged one bomb and hit one, but 7th? hit that one and the damage was enough to get me <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' /> ). 7th also MVPd it with 4-1, 3AS 5FR.

Rebels defeated The Dark in a game that could end up being important for PRO playoffs. Captor 1/2 in under 8, subbed at 14:51 and Legacy then 0-1 on that slot in 5:36 with 3,7k done 16k taken. I did not see what was going on in the game in general. Looks like Rebels used 3wb/weasel. Dagger whored up 8FR with 3-2, Actress got 7 FR. ML stole the MVP.

Meanwhile Llamas defeated Sterling, also could mean something in the end. Sterling probably didn't anticipate this, Kdak was actually playing for his draft team, team KN, during this match. Pension went 5-1 on Llamas (this is with 0 solo kills). Uni picked up 4 AS, and Aramen got 6 FR. Between the lot of them, Sterling wasted 10 repels using 5 players.

StarFire Elite looked like they could steal a win from !norating, being up 8-5 4v4 at 26:46. But then Something Dutch (I suppose he over-extended to go for a KO) died twice (more) by 28:05, making the game 4v3 for !norating. They managed not to explode to make it 3v3, but rather picked off MFa, Mauler, Jones. MfA stands out with 5-2 KD and 14 mines. Dethknel finished 5-2 6FR for !norating.

Team KN defeated Assassins, as mentioned before, Kdak chose to play here rather than Llamas vs. Sterling. He finished 3-2 5 FR, Assassins only managed 4 kill, 2 by develop and 2 by ossi. Develop got his two kills in 15:17. Ossi played near full time (and by spectator comments ate up some nice piles of bullets and bombs). Team KN wasted a total of 3 repels. Assassins wasted 11 repels. That's about enough to lose most games.





3pm:

Team Maimer vs. Die Antwoord -- 103101

Team KN vs. !norating -- 103102

SFE vs. BYE Round -- 103103



4pm:

Sterling vs. Assassins -- 103104

Llamas vs. Rebels -- 103105

Nguyens vs. The Dark -- 103106

This past Master of Chaos saw a high level of teaming. We've seen teaming before a number of times; teaming in which one of the teamers ended up champion, as occurred this time. We've also seen teaming where players colluded for a while to eliminate certain people. In fact, that sort of teaming in response to the targeted player teaming in the previous MoC -- as a sort of revenge. The unwritten laws of chaos playing out as they do on a daily basis.



I wanted to start this thread so that people could discuss this issue. Certainly Master of Chaos is not intended to be "shoot the guy closest to me at all times" but it is nominally "intended" to be 1v1v1v1v1v1 etc. just as Chaos is "intended" to be freq v freq v freq v freq (whatever the current freqsize is). However, this IS Chaos, and we see alliances form and dissolve within minutes or seconds. We see hunters team cross-freq often when chasing a high bty, with an unwritten understanding between them. Or not. And revenge may or may not take place for backstabbing while chasing. The scenarios are legion.



The huge problem with a teaming rule for Master of Chaos is how can it be an objective rule such that the event host does not have to make tight judgment calls (which _always_ leads to dissatisfaction to some parties)? What could be the wording of such a rule? I solicit suggestions herein.



The alternative is to let things take their course as they would in Chaos. Next MoC we may or may not see _more_ teaming. Or concentrated hunting of the teamers from this last MoC. Or some other creative response by the pilots themselves. This has been the way MoC, the longest running event in subspace, has always been run. But I thought I'd give people an explicit opportunity to discuss it. Go. :)



--hallu

Standings after Round 4:

1 Nguyens 4-0 26 0.462

2 Sterling 3-1 29 0.717

3 Assassins 3-1 22 0.458

4 Team KN 3-1 14 0.678

5 Llamas 3-1 13 0.431

6 The Dark 3-1 12 0.611

7 team maimer 2-2 -5 0.446

8 Rebels 1-3 -6 0.466

9 Die Antwoord 1-3 -17 0.434

10 !norating 1-3 -22 0.576

11 BYE Round 0-1 -12 0.704

12 Mineshack 0-3 -22 0.384

13 StarFire Elite 0-4 -32 0.572



Results from Round 4 of 11:

9/25 3:41 pm Nguyens def !norating 12-1 log

9/25 3:35 pm The Dark def team maimer 12-4 log

9/25 3:26 pm Assassins def StarFire Elite 12-1 log

9/25 3:03 pm Die Antwoord def Rebels 11-9 log

9/25 2:43 pm Team KN def Llamas 12-3 log

9/25 2:09 pm Sterling def BYE Round 12-0 log



Nguyens 12-1'd !norating in a pretty sloppy game. Realdeal got 7-1 4FR, leftyloosey subbed in and was out with 0-2 in under 3 minutes. If you look at the !game it will say I have a kill with 0 damage dealth, that's a bot but. I think all damage on PP was not counted.

The Dark spread their kills 4/4/3/1, but DD with 1 also got 6 assists and 6 FR. Team Maimer apparently didn't have the best start to the game, courtesy of pseudo with 0-2 in 5:11 and 0-3 in 7:53.

SFE lost 12-1, in a game where Saiyan racked up three kills in 3:43 to kick things off. The game was over in under 11 minutes.

Die Antwoord picked up their first win, yay. Rebels played pretty sloppy, but at least they did not kill our AFK player at the start.

Llamas got their first loss, because Dequadin decided to go 6-0 with 7 FR after a 6 year break from league. I guess the other players on Team KN had something to do with it too.

Sterling had a tough fight with BYE round, barely winning 12-0.



IF YOU WOULD PREFER BEST OF THREE FOR ALL PLAYOFF ROUNDS, NOW WOULD BE A GOOD TIME TO POINT IT OUT. =)



3pm:

!norating vs. StarFire Elite -- 102927

Assassins vs. Team KN -- 102928

Sterling vs. Llamas -- 102929



4pm:

Die Antwoord vs. BYE Round -- 102390

The Dark vs. Rebels -- 102391

Nguyens vs. Team Maimer -- 102392

Standings after Round 3 -- without added K/D for the squads that beat Mineshack:

1 Llamas 3-0 22

2 Nguyens 3-0 15

3 Sterling 2-1 17

4 Assassins 2-1 11

5 Team KN 2-1 5

6 The Dark 2-1 4

7 team maimer 2-1 3

8 Rebels 1-2 -4

9 !norating 1-2 -11

10 Die Antwoord 0-3 -19

11 StarFire Elite 0-3 -21

12 Mineshack 0-3 -22





9/18 3:43 pm Rebels def Mineshack 12-4 log

9/18 3:33 pm Llamas def StarFire Elite 12-3 log

9/18 3:33 pm Team KN def The Dark 12-5 log

9/18 2:58 pm Nguyens def Assassins 12-6 log

9/18 2:52 pm !norating def Die Antwoord 12-8 log

9/18 2:12 pm Sterling def team maimer 12-0 log



Riverside ended up 6-0 with 5 FR vs. the now dissolved Mineshack.

cfl got 2-0 K/D with 8 FR, 3 ass and a DD/DT of 28k/34k, which statistically looks wrong. Uni racked up the kills with 5-1. SFE looked like they panicked a bit, and Something Dutch wasted 4 repels alone.

Team KN defeated a decent line-up from The Dark. Develop (as i n c a .) got 5-1 and 8FR.

The 1570 eRating average each line-up Nguyens vs. Assassins was close until Dingo's subbed in javelin blew up somewhere near 29 minutes. KNeWWiN of course stole all the stats, going 5-2 and 8FR. It was a pretty decent game from both teams, although very sloppy at times.

!norating picked up a win vs. Die Antwoord, the stats are spread rather evenly. Lefty has 4as 6fr with his 3 kills.

The people on Sterling chose to show up with their names from Sterling roster, to defeat their no-showing selves 12-0.







Mineshack imploded sooner than anticipated, and with a smaller bang. (I imagined it would've been Three vs. Candyman on the squad's playstyle that does it). They weren't happy with their activity level, or how their zero pracs have not made them improve (0-3 season), so they announced they would be dissolving.

What this means is we now have a BYE slot instead of Mineshack. The squads that already played Mineshack will get enough kills added to their record to give them the same 12 kill margin before I run the playoff standings.



Apart from the people you can see via !roster Mineshack, Damnatus is also a free agent now.



3pm:

Llamas vs. Team KN -- 102643

Rebels vs. Die Antwoord -- 102644

Sterling vs. BYE Round -- 102645



4pm:

Nguyens vs. !norating -- 102646

Assassins vs. StarFire Elite -- 102647

The Dark vs. Team Maimer -- 102648



Sterling does not have to show up, BYE Round always loses 0-12 <img src='http://www.subspace.co/public/style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/sad.png' class='bbc_emoticon' alt='' />